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    Squad for England vs SA 1st Test

    It looks ok although Kirtley will not get a go even though I think he would be a better choice than either Gough or Harmison. As for McGrath being picked, ok he wasn't going to be dropped and he's not done anything wrong but who would you pick? An in-form Graham Thorpe, one of England's best batsmen in the last 10 years, or Anthony McGrath who scored 2 50s against Zimbabwe and had a very ordinary time in the ODIs? You allways need to play your best side against the top teams, and in my opinion, class should have won here over the need to be fair. Did Mark Waugh deserve to be dropped by the Australian Selectors with his record? Nope. Life isn't fair.

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    Re: Squad for England vs SA 1st Test

    Originally posted by Rik
    It looks ok although Kirtley will not get a go even though I think he would be a better choice than either Gough or Harmison. As for McGrath being picked, ok he wasn't going to be dropped and he's not done anything wrong but who would you pick? An in-form Graham Thorpe, one of England's best batsmen in the last 10 years, or Anthony McGrath who scored 2 50s against Zimbabwe and had a very ordinary time in the ODIs? You allways need to play your best side against the top teams, and in my opinion, class should have won here over the need to be fair. Did Mark Waugh deserve to be dropped by the Australian Selectors with his record? Nope. Life isn't fair.

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    First although Thorpe might have been a better choice, McGrath would (and should) have felt very hard done by to be dropped.

    Second intresting on the M Waugh subject, the reason he was dropped was on a horrible run of form not his record... However all I will say is has he been missed what-so-ever, the answer is no... So although a decision that was very split, it hasn't effected the team performance at all.

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    Fair enough point Rich but who would you pick out of McGrath or Thorpe? Life isn't fair, you've got to play your strongest side against the top teams. Being nice and winning doesn't go together really. I know McGrath doesn't deserve to be dropped but how much do the selectors want to win this? Do they want to win this or do they want to sacrifice valuable runs in the name of looking like nice blokes by picking an inferior player? They've found out that McGrath can score runs against a weak team, so why not bring in someone who has scored runs against the best teams in the world consistantly and keep McGrath for when a vacancy comes up in the batting order? Strength in depth.

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    But Thorpe was out of order in what happened last summer/winter. So he had a few personal problems, lets be honest so do most of the population. Especially (i'm told this one!!) once you get married. However most people have no choice but to soldier on through, they can't quit there job for 7 months. Yes Thorpe is a quality player and given the choice between him and Key he'd get in everytime but lets be honest he left them in the lurch, and McGrath is playing well. We don't know whats happened behind closed doors, frankly so much probably happens in dressing rooms that may never come out. If Thorpe comes in after leaving in Australia ahead of McGrath who got runs against Zimbabwe(he could only bat against what was there!) there could be unrest and disharmony. Vaughan hadn't a great first class record before going to South Africa and look what happened to him. If we lose a few games and don't get runs then yeah lets look at Thorpe until then, for me its McGrath.


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    And Kirtley a better choice than Gough or Harmison - I know you don't like Harmison and even if he takes 10 or more in the match you'll still criticise him, but ahead of Gough?!
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    Agreed, surely Gough would be the smart pick ahead of Kirtley, for obvious reasons.

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    Dennis Lillee said in this months WCM that Harmisons was the future. A decent opinion i'd guess being a coach as well as one of the best fast bowlers ever. As a batsman who would you rather face, I know I wouldnt fancy Harmison at all. bowlers have to hunt in packs and Gough, Anderson, Harmison and Flintoff is a very decent bowling attack

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    Hmm, i am miffed, but we could go on forever about the England squad, so i wont.....
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    Originally posted by marc71178
    And Kirtley a better choice than Gough or Harmison - I know you don't like Harmison and even if he takes 10 or more in the match you'll still criticise him, but ahead of Gough?!
    Hahah Harmison take 10 in a match?

    Marc you humour me too much!

    Let's see if he can go for less than a ton against Smith, Gibbs, Kirsten et al first...

    Yes and Gough too, 1-68 off 20 overs shouldn't equate to a re-call...

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    Originally posted by Swanny
    Dennis Lillee said in this months WCM that Harmisons was the future. A decent opinion i'd guess being a coach as well as one of the best fast bowlers ever. As a batsman who would you rather face, I know I wouldnt fancy Harmison at all. bowlers have to hunt in packs and Gough, Anderson, Harmison and Flintoff is a very decent bowling attack
    Lillee is famous for talking out of his arse. Harmison would be my favoured bowler to face:

    Ball 1: Leave outside off - wide
    Ball 2: Leave outside off - wide
    Ball 3: Leave outside leg - wide

    you get the picture...

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    Originally posted by Rik
    Lillee is famous for talking out of his arse. Harmison would be my favoured bowler to face:

    Ball 1: Leave outside off - wide
    Ball 2: Leave outside off - wide
    Ball 3: Leave outside leg - wide

    you get the picture...

    I thought it was a very good article until he started spouting rubbish about one of Englands worst pacemen for ages...

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    Chances of Harmison taking 10 in a game? Not impossible.

    Would any of you have ever given Dev a chance of picking up 10 in a game? (he nearly did it in an innings - against a South Africa team which was pretty good, too).

    I would not pick Gough yet - there's no form to speak of in the longer game (unless someone can confirm that he was just 'going through the motions' against Durham).

    Incidentally, Harmison picked up 3 more wickets than Gough in the game and was more economical.

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    i'd still pick gough ahead of harmison any day

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    Originally posted by Jacques Rudolph
    Hmm, i am miffed, but we could go on forever about the England squad, so i wont.....
    So why are you miffed?

    Who would you have selected, and what reason can you give for leaving out the people you leave out in order to select them?

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    Originally posted by Rik

    Yes and Gough too, 1-68 off 20 overs shouldn't equate to a re-call...

    Right, so you base it on one game, rather than the fine form he showed in the 10 one Dayers, and the 200+ Test Wickets he's taken.

    Who would the Springboks rather face, him or Kirtley?

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