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NZ contracted players for 09/10
- Thread starter straw man
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Polo? Styris was far from Rubbish...
He came in at the very back end vs Scot and SA and was not out, scored 40+ as you mentioned vs Ire. Top scored vs Pakistan in that debacle and failed for the only time vs SL
On top of that the two warm up games (not your usual warm up games over here) they wre televised and full houses at Lords and The Oval he scored 42 off 25 (Aust) and India 29 off 18. He even played AGAINST a full strength NZ for a combined X1 and made 51 off 30 balls. (NZ bowlers were Vettori/Butler/Franklin/Oram/OBrien/N Mac)
Hardly a 'rubbish' tour
He came in at the very back end vs Scot and SA and was not out, scored 40+ as you mentioned vs Ire. Top scored vs Pakistan in that debacle and failed for the only time vs SL
On top of that the two warm up games (not your usual warm up games over here) they wre televised and full houses at Lords and The Oval he scored 42 off 25 (Aust) and India 29 off 18. He even played AGAINST a full strength NZ for a combined X1 and made 51 off 30 balls. (NZ bowlers were Vettori/Butler/Franklin/Oram/OBrien/N Mac)
Hardly a 'rubbish' tour
Whenever we played against top nations in the T20 WC, he failed (22 off 29 against Pakistan is hardly worthy of a mention, despite how poor everyone else was). His 7 in 7 balls against South Africa isn't much to go by, but we did end up losing by only 1 run, so 7 balls for only 7 runs was a bit of a waste.
Warm up scores are irrelevant, they count for absolutely nothing.
He, like all of the other senior players, failed. Since he only plays OD cricket, is old and hasn't done much for a while, I don't think he deserved a contract.
Of course warm up games count for nothing. But to say his tour was rubbish is far from true. They were top quality opposition who were full strength.
You cant seriously blame Styris or Oram for that matter for the SA game can you? When Styris walked out to bat NZ needed 35 off 3 overs of which 2 were bowled by Parnell and 1 by Steyn. That is crazy. Taylor and B Mac were terrible there crawling along to a small total and putting ridiculous pressure on the rest of the order.
BTW since Styris' stellar 07 World Cup he is averaging 37 with the bat SINCE then. Of course last summer was a waste as his thumb was broken (by WI Edwards') and he only played 1 ODI and didnt bat or bowl. Hardly terrible
But hey you go ahead and give contracts to unproven players (again, by that i mean last year) and in some cases some who have never played for NZ (Arnel) now that is ridiculous and a whole different thread.
You cant seriously blame Styris or Oram for that matter for the SA game can you? When Styris walked out to bat NZ needed 35 off 3 overs of which 2 were bowled by Parnell and 1 by Steyn. That is crazy. Taylor and B Mac were terrible there crawling along to a small total and putting ridiculous pressure on the rest of the order.
BTW since Styris' stellar 07 World Cup he is averaging 37 with the bat SINCE then. Of course last summer was a waste as his thumb was broken (by WI Edwards') and he only played 1 ODI and didnt bat or bowl. Hardly terrible
But hey you go ahead and give contracts to unproven players (again, by that i mean last year) and in some cases some who have never played for NZ (Arnel) now that is ridiculous and a whole different thread.
I never said I blamed him for the loss against South Africa, I fully blame McCullum for that one. I don't even recall mentioning Oram. But when we needed our seniors players the most, they crumbled. Styris is in that category. Sure, it may be unfair, but that's just the way it is.
Styris lost his contract because 1. He only plays OD cricket now, 2. He is old, 3. He has done nothing spectacular for his contract to be renewed.
I don't mean to alarm you, but i'm not actually giving anyone contracts. I'm just voicing my opinion.
And on the Bond/age thing. Yeah, Bond is older than Styris, but if Styris had the record Bond has we wouldnt be having this discussion. Also, I can guarantee you Bond is far more athletic and in better shape than Styris despite being older.
Flem274*
123/5
Well Bond is a bowler..
See no issue with the likes of Broom or Arnel getting in tbh. Broom is a promising young player, sure he throws away starts but its nothing execution worthy at this stage (and Styris does the same
). Arnel is a good bowler, I'd have prefferred Tuffey but have no issue with Arnel. Jury is out on whether he's international class but he has a consistently good domestic record and he's not in the Yovich/Bowden/etc mould (good domestic medium pacer but **** at the top level). Guy can hit 140, bowls mainly in the 135-140 range and can get some movement, just like the likes of Chris Martin and Iain O'Brien.
See no issue with the likes of Broom or Arnel getting in tbh. Broom is a promising young player, sure he throws away starts but its nothing execution worthy at this stage (and Styris does the same
). Arnel is a good bowler, I'd have prefferred Tuffey but have no issue with Arnel. Jury is out on whether he's international class but he has a consistently good domestic record and he's not in the Yovich/Bowden/etc mould (good domestic medium pacer but **** at the top level). Guy can hit 140, bowls mainly in the 135-140 range and can get some movement, just like the likes of Chris Martin and Iain O'Brien.Slightly off topic i know, but how can you guarantee me than Bond is more Athletic and in better shape than Styris? I acknowledge at first glance you may think that would be the case.
I remember reading online last summer (not my northern Hem summer) Glenn Turner saying that people would be surprised but Styris consistently features in the top 3-4 in the fitness tests in the squad. Im originally from Hamilton (hence my following of Styris) and he was always the star sportsman and not just cricket but Rugby/Soccer both Waikato and so on. I swear im just a fan and not a stalker lol.
Anyway forgetting my bias/stalking i think its wrong when as mentioned his tournament wasnt that bad plus Dan Vettori regularly talks about how Styris is the best player of spin in NZ and we go to SL this year, have a champions Trophy against these teams and then have Pak in the middle east as well. There is also talk of Bang coming to NZ but im not sure if they play ODIs when theyre there?
My point is that we have very little talent that can we be this selective about a guy who has been a star for us for the last 10 years. Remember Fleming named him in his best ODI X1 that he ever played with and again i acknowledge that he isnt as good as he was but nor has his form completely fallen off either. Its only 4 ODIs agao that he went back to back Man Of the Match in England remember???
I remember reading online last summer (not my northern Hem summer) Glenn Turner saying that people would be surprised but Styris consistently features in the top 3-4 in the fitness tests in the squad. Im originally from Hamilton (hence my following of Styris) and he was always the star sportsman and not just cricket but Rugby/Soccer both Waikato and so on. I swear im just a fan and not a stalker lol.
Anyway forgetting my bias/stalking i think its wrong when as mentioned his tournament wasnt that bad plus Dan Vettori regularly talks about how Styris is the best player of spin in NZ and we go to SL this year, have a champions Trophy against these teams and then have Pak in the middle east as well. There is also talk of Bang coming to NZ but im not sure if they play ODIs when theyre there?
My point is that we have very little talent that can we be this selective about a guy who has been a star for us for the last 10 years. Remember Fleming named him in his best ODI X1 that he ever played with and again i acknowledge that he isnt as good as he was but nor has his form completely fallen off either. Its only 4 ODIs agao that he went back to back Man Of the Match in England remember???
Flem274*
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This is just from what commentators during matches have said on radio, so yes they're estimates, but seeing as the likes of Bond and McClennaghan were playing last year, and we know Bond is 140+ and apparently McClenananannaghan is a little bit quicker, they're in the right place to make an estimate.
Flem274*
123/5
I personally would like him in the ODI squads, but as he is an ODI specialist, and the fact that Elliott has walked into his possy in the team, means I don't mind either way whether he gets a contract, though when crap like McIntosh gets in he should have one ahead of him.
I think we have to ODI players to cover for Styris's absence fairly easily tbh, and if he was still playing tests the only player he could dislodge from the middle order is Flynn.
I use the word "guarantee" loosely, because I can't actually prove it one way or the other. But from what i've heard, Bond trains harder than ANYONE, plus he doesnt look 63 years old, not that that's relevant.
If he is the best player of spin in NZ I am incredibly worried about this SL tour. He got embarassed by Mendis in the T20 WC, and it will be twice as hard in Sri Lanka. Though, I don't care too much about the ODI's, and he's retired from tests anyway.
I wouldn't exactly have called Styris a star. He has been good for NZ, very good at times, but his inconsistency has let him down. Broom is a good talent, young and IMO deserved his spot on the contracted players list. Those ODI's were over a season ago, a lot has happened between then and now and Styris hasn't been a part of a lot of it, and when he has had his chances he hasn't taken that. Sure, it isn't his fault he got injured but that's just how it goes sometimes. Tell me what he's done over the past year to deserve a contract.
McIntosh didn't take his spot though. They were always going to give contracts to two specialist openers (and rightly so), so if it wasn't McIntosh then it would have been either Redmond or How.
Broom or Elliott (forgot about him) took Styris' spot...and fair enough too.
Craig
World Traveller
I think there is zero chance we will see Lou Vincent anywhere near the New Zealand team.Is lou vincent back from icl yet would be good for the A tour.
You make many valid points there Polo
Firstly you surely cant judge a player on one inning. Mendis strikes me as a player who is having success, mainly, against people who are seeing him for the first time. My prediction is that once people get a look at him more they will be more successful too.
Styris is comfortably the best NZer against Murali. Im sure we all remember how bad we've been against him over the recent past but Styris has back to back World Cup hundreds against SL with Murali in the side.
We are in deep trouble i believe in SL anyway but more so if Styris isnt there through the middle overs in the ODIs
I do think McIntosh shouldve got his contract. As you mentioned Polo you cant only contract one opener and its his spot at present although for how long is debatable. By Beef is that theyve picked Arnel for a contract when he has NEVER played for NZ. Surely you have to earn a contract? They already have Butler/OBrien/Mills/Martin/Franklin/Oram/Bond as front line bowlers contracted so surely proven players wouldve made more sense
Firstly you surely cant judge a player on one inning. Mendis strikes me as a player who is having success, mainly, against people who are seeing him for the first time. My prediction is that once people get a look at him more they will be more successful too.
Styris is comfortably the best NZer against Murali. Im sure we all remember how bad we've been against him over the recent past but Styris has back to back World Cup hundreds against SL with Murali in the side.
We are in deep trouble i believe in SL anyway but more so if Styris isnt there through the middle overs in the ODIs
I do think McIntosh shouldve got his contract. As you mentioned Polo you cant only contract one opener and its his spot at present although for how long is debatable. By Beef is that theyve picked Arnel for a contract when he has NEVER played for NZ. Surely you have to earn a contract? They already have Butler/OBrien/Mills/Martin/Franklin/Oram/Bond as front line bowlers contracted so surely proven players wouldve made more sense
HMas
U19 12th Man
Dan Vettori gets a $174,000 retainer as No 1-ranked player. This decreases in increments of $6000 until No 18. The bottom three retainers are each worth $72,000. Players also receive $7325 for each test, $3175 for an ODI and $2075 for a Twenty20 international.
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