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    So I take it we have seen the last of Scott Styris then?
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    I don't see styris being recontracted by IPl after this year,so he will have to do some big thinking over his career,may have to become a marquee player like andrew symmonds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Forgot Tuffey, yeah I'd have him ahead of Arnel. Arnel isn't a bad pick though, generally a good bowler for ND. Hopkins is the second best keeper in the country, though I don't really mind either way if he gets a contract or not.

    tbh I think Redmond and How, whilst obviously not very good, have more hope than McIntosh.
    I agree How has more hope than McIntosh, but his dreadful form over a long period of time pretty much doomed him to be left in the wilderness, and fair enough too. I'm still optimistic he'll get back to his best though. He's only just turned 28, so not ancient by any means.

    Not so sure about Tuffey. I think Arnel's a decent inclusion, if not for injury last season he would have played cricket for New Zealand also. A good start to the domestic season by Tuffey and poor form from one or two of the contracted players could easily see Tuffey in the team though.

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    Thought Styris got a rough deal, thought he was pretty good in the T20 WC and should have been playing more. People have been talking up Tuffey a lot so that's pretty suprising, lol @ Tim Mcintosh, would have given it to Jamie How instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oitoitoi View Post
    Thought Styris got a rough deal, thought he was pretty good in the T20 WC and should have been playing more. People have been talking up Tuffey a lot so that's pretty suprising, lol @ Tim Mcintosh, would have given it to Jamie How instead.
    Should have been playing more? From memory he played every single game for us at the T20 WC and made one decent score (a 40 odd...forget who it was against). He, like Oram, and all the other senior players, was rubbish.

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    Is lou vincent back from icl yet would be good for the A tour.

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    Polo? Styris was far from Rubbish...

    He came in at the very back end vs Scot and SA and was not out, scored 40+ as you mentioned vs Ire. Top scored vs Pakistan in that debacle and failed for the only time vs SL

    On top of that the two warm up games (not your usual warm up games over here) they wre televised and full houses at Lords and The Oval he scored 42 off 25 (Aust) and India 29 off 18. He even played AGAINST a full strength NZ for a combined X1 and made 51 off 30 balls. (NZ bowlers were Vettori/Butler/Franklin/Oram/OBrien/N Mac)

    Hardly a 'rubbish' tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapol View Post
    Polo? Styris was far from Rubbish...

    He came in at the very back end vs Scot and SA and was not out, scored 40+ as you mentioned vs Ire. Top scored vs Pakistan in that debacle and failed for the only time vs SL

    On top of that the two warm up games (not your usual warm up games over here) they wre televised and full houses at Lords and The Oval he scored 42 off 25 (Aust) and India 29 off 18. He even played AGAINST a full strength NZ for a combined X1 and made 51 off 30 balls. (NZ bowlers were Vettori/Butler/Franklin/Oram/OBrien/N Mac)

    Hardly a 'rubbish' tour
    Whenever we played against top nations in the T20 WC, he failed (22 off 29 against Pakistan is hardly worthy of a mention, despite how poor everyone else was). His 7 in 7 balls against South Africa isn't much to go by, but we did end up losing by only 1 run, so 7 balls for only 7 runs was a bit of a waste.

    Warm up scores are irrelevant, they count for absolutely nothing.

    He, like all of the other senior players, failed. Since he only plays OD cricket, is old and hasn't done much for a while, I don't think he deserved a contract.

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    So Arnel must be going to Sri Lanka then?

    I was a bit surprised that he got a contract tbh. Hopkins didn't deserve his either, and I thought Redmond would of kept his.

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    Of course warm up games count for nothing. But to say his tour was rubbish is far from true. They were top quality opposition who were full strength.

    You cant seriously blame Styris or Oram for that matter for the SA game can you? When Styris walked out to bat NZ needed 35 off 3 overs of which 2 were bowled by Parnell and 1 by Steyn. That is crazy. Taylor and B Mac were terrible there crawling along to a small total and putting ridiculous pressure on the rest of the order.

    BTW since Styris' stellar 07 World Cup he is averaging 37 with the bat SINCE then. Of course last summer was a waste as his thumb was broken (by WI Edwards') and he only played 1 ODI and didnt bat or bowl. Hardly terrible

    But hey you go ahead and give contracts to unproven players (again, by that i mean last year) and in some cases some who have never played for NZ (Arnel) now that is ridiculous and a whole different thread.

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    BTW Bond is older than Styris

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    Quote Originally Posted by trapol View Post
    BTW Bond is older than Styris
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    Of course warm up games count for nothing. But to say his tour was rubbish is far from true. They were top quality opposition who were full strength.

    You cant seriously blame Styris or Oram for that matter for the SA game can you? When Styris walked out to bat NZ needed 35 off 3 overs of which 2 were bowled by Parnell and 1 by Steyn. That is crazy. Taylor and B Mac were terrible there crawling along to a small total and putting ridiculous pressure on the rest of the order.

    BTW since Styris' stellar 07 World Cup he is averaging 37 with the bat SINCE then. Of course last summer was a waste as his thumb was broken (by WI Edwards') and he only played 1 ODI and didnt bat or bowl. Hardly terrible

    But hey you go ahead and give contracts to unproven players (again, by that i mean last year) and in some cases some who have never played for NZ (Arnel) now that is ridiculous and a whole different thread.
    I never said I blamed him for the loss against South Africa, I fully blame McCullum for that one. I don't even recall mentioning Oram. But when we needed our seniors players the most, they crumbled. Styris is in that category. Sure, it may be unfair, but that's just the way it is.

    Styris lost his contract because 1. He only plays OD cricket now, 2. He is old, 3. He has done nothing spectacular for his contract to be renewed.

    I don't mean to alarm you, but i'm not actually giving anyone contracts. I'm just voicing my opinion.

    And on the Bond/age thing. Yeah, Bond is older than Styris, but if Styris had the record Bond has we wouldnt be having this discussion. Also, I can guarantee you Bond is far more athletic and in better shape than Styris despite being older.

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    Well Bond is a bowler..

    See no issue with the likes of Broom or Arnel getting in tbh. Broom is a promising young player, sure he throws away starts but its nothing execution worthy at this stage (and Styris does the same ). Arnel is a good bowler, I'd have prefferred Tuffey but have no issue with Arnel. Jury is out on whether he's international class but he has a consistently good domestic record and he's not in the Yovich/Bowden/etc mould (good domestic medium pacer but **** at the top level). Guy can hit 140, bowls mainly in the 135-140 range and can get some movement, just like the likes of Chris Martin and Iain O'Brien.
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    I'm interested to know how you know how quick he bowls. No speed guns at domestic games.

    Though, he has looked like one of the quicker domestic bowlers when i've seen him play.

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