- Excellent analysis SJS.
- Facinating how Ben has flipped from a view that any bowling pre-1980s was rubbish (Marshall a trundler, lack of quality shoes, etc) to the view that the 1930s was the golden age of bowling.
The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.
My entire post is based on the same premise as I think is the only one that can be used (if at all stats can be used in a limited way) that of comparing players in the same conditions and match situations where possible. Thus since these three played in the same period (approximately), I have started my post with bringing the stats first down to the common denominator of the Tests/series where they all played. Thus I have taken for my stats the eight series in which all three played and the one series in which only Walcott and Worrell played (Weekes having retired). My entire post is based on this.
The conclusion that Weekes and Walcott were minnow beaters is amply proved by their stats one does not have to take too much trouble to see that except to shed one's blinkers.
Just one figure should be enough (not for you I am sure ) Weekes has 6 centuries (out of 15) against the three minnows, Walcott has 10(out of 14) and Worrell has 2 out of 9
Finally their figures at home and away tell their own story. Of course, you dont have to believe them for there are many other stories one can build with statistics. Why we even had a functioning stats factory on CW once that could prove anything. You must try this sometimes
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I think it is best to combine the quality of opposition with the home/away stats. So here are the stats for the three W's only against England and Australia (1948-1960) with the break up for home and away games.
Code:Player Mts Runs 100s Avg Weekes-Away 14 778 1 29.9 Weekes-Home 13 1249 3 59.5 Walcott-Away 12 563 1 28.2 Walcott-Home 16 1742 8 64.5 Worrell-Away 14 1226 4 49.0 Worrell-Home 15 1154 3 52.5
Murali, Warne>Verity, Mushtaq = Verity
Ambrose, Donald, Waqar, Wasim, Pollock > Tate, Farnes
Laker - very young when bowled to Bradman
Sorry, their stats suggest otherwiseRelatively speaking I'd think (without undertaking a tedious trawl through the stats) that Tendulkar has faced more poor bowling attacks than Bradman ever did. Bradman played almost all of his Test cricket against the strongest opposition that existed. Tendulkar has been more fortunate in that respect.
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Anyhow let's agree about one thing: these were all fine bowlers.
And of course to this list you can add Larwood, who like Bedser was a great bowler. And there were other fine bowlers: Voce, Allen, Bowes, Hammond, White, Wright, Geary. The 13 bowlers I've named were all high-class, and 12 of them were the 12 bowlers who bowled the most overs in Ashes Tests when Bradman played (Laker being the exception).
England's was very far from being a popgun attack at any point during Bradman's career.
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And I think you have your stats wrong. How could Worrell average 49 away in those two countries when the highest average he has is in England and is 44? Yes, I just checked, Worrell averaged 52.5 at home and 41.5 away.Code:In Australia In England Worrell: 35.60 46.86 Weekes: 24.50 33.31 Walcott: 14.50 34
He probably meant up until the time Weekes and Worrell retired.
Possibly. They all retired within a few years of each other, though.
Same way really intimidating batsmen can "scare" average bowlers (eg Gilchrist - he did, many times, I watched it palpably in effect), equally really good bowlers aren't intimidated by anything and in fact relish the contest with batsmen prepared to go after them - and thus win such contests on perhaps 80 or so occasions out of 100. Shane Warne was never able to get on top of Sachin Tendulkar or Brian Lara but it wasn't because they intimidated him out of bowling at his best.
I'd certainly not say batsmen "often" cause bowlers to bowl badly by making a conscious effort to try to score quickly off them. If such a thing happens, you know a bowler's got a bad mentality. In fact there are bowlers who some people identify as such things - sometimes wrongly so, indeed, as in the cases of Andy Caddick and Allan Donald.
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