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    The 10 Greatest Test Captains

    Who are the 10 greatest test captains of all time?

    1. Allan Border
    2. Mike Brearley
    3. Clive Lloyd
    4. Imran Khan
    5. Ian Chappell,Sir Frank Worrell(Add on)
    6. Sourav Ganguly
    7. Sir Viv Richards
    8. Steve Waugh
    9. Ricky Ponting
    10. Stephen Fleming, Graeme Smith

    What’s your take readers ?

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    bradman, benaud and armstrong should be there somewhere, imo

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    I was just doing a bit of a look at the Captains recently who have captained 25 matches or more (for sheep draft question).

    Found it interesting just how good Pontings stats compare with Steve Waughs. Mike Brearley had the most successful % so he'd have to be a very good shot at number 1.

    I think Mark Taylor should be in contention as I always think of him as a better skipper over Captain Grumpy, ofcourse I admire Border for his brilliant batting and appreciate that he didn't have the team Taylor had.

    How good was Sobers? Was he happy with drawing Test Matches considering in his 39 matches in charge he had 20 draws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris jones View Post
    Who are the 10 greatest test captains of all time?

    1. Allan Border
    2. Mike Brearley
    3. Clive Lloyd
    4. Imran Khan
    5. Ian Chappell,Sir Frank Worrell(Add on)
    6. Sourav Ganguly
    7. Sir Viv Richards
    8. Steve Waugh
    9. Ricky Ponting
    10. Stephen Fleming, Graeme Smith

    What’s your take readers ?
    Sourav Ganguly???
    In the list of all times best test captains?
    Strange!!!!!!
    Don't just go by stats, see the leadership qualities

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    1.Douglas Jardine
    2.The rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naumaan View Post
    Sourav Ganguly???
    In the list of all times best test captains?
    Strange!!!!!!
    Don't just go by stats, see the leadership qualities

    imran's claim to fame as captain was the fact that he led his team to victories in india and england. won the world cup. and captained three successive drawn series against west indies, the best team in the world of his time.

    saurav ganguly led india to a drawn series in england. but he did his lead his team to a victory in pakistan. and to a world cup final. he drew the series against australia in australia but won the home series 2-1, something imran could not achieve against west indies. so, if imran could be in any such list so can ganguly.

    but we are talking captaincy here. in all honesty, both are highly over-rated as captains. as individual cricketers imran was a legend whereas ganguly was merely good. despite this difference, somehow their similar aggressive attitude that united their teams is held, correctly, in their favor. but the fact remains that neither one was ever leading a world beating team, despite having some very fine cricketers in their teams, like a lloyd, waugh or ponting. they were merely adequate and their legend is big only when seen through the cultural prism. otherwise their achievements as skippers are nothing to crow about.

    viv richards, who never lost a test series as skipper and mark taylor who broke the west indian hegemony for close to two decades deserve to be on this list more than these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    imran's claim to fame as captain was the fact that he led his team to victories in india and england. won the world cup. and captained three successive drawn series against west indies, the best team in the world of his time.

    saurav ganguly led india to a drawn series in england. but he did his lead his team to a victory in pakistan. and to a world cup final. he drew the series against australia in australia but won the home series 2-1, something imran could not achieve against west indies. so, if imran could be in any such list so can ganguly.

    but we are talking captaincy here. in all honesty, both are highly over-rated as captains. as individual cricketers imran was a legend whereas ganguly was merely good. despite this difference, somehow their similar aggressive attitude that united their teams is held, correctly, in their favor. but the fact remains that neither one was ever leading a world beating team, despite having some very fine cricketers in their teams, like a lloyd, waugh or ponting. they were merely adequate and their legend is big only when seen through the cultural prism. otherwise their achievements as skippers are nothing to crow about.

    viv richards, who never lost a test series as skipper and mark taylor who broke the west indian hegemony for close to two decades deserve to be on this list more than these two.
    what i said, Ganguly had big players in his side, ponting had & has legends in his side
    i don't know anything about Imran khan, never saw him play
    can't comment on the list which was given above, but know Ponting, Ganguly & if i remember Fleming is in the list, so i know him too, i rate Fleming higher than both Ganguly & Ponting, cuz he had relatively modest line up
    Ponting is so lucky to be captain of the Australian line up
    didn't really comment about Ganguly cuz he's from india, or i wanted to say that Pakistani captain was better than indian captain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naumaan View Post
    what i said, Ganguly had big players in his side, ponting had & has legends in his side
    i don't know anything about Imran khan, never saw him play
    can't comment on the list which was given above, but know Ponting, Ganguly & if i remember Fleming is in the list, so i know him too, i rate Fleming higher than both Ganguly & Ponting, cuz he had relatively modest line up
    Ponting is so lucky to be captain of the Australian line up
    didn't really comment about Ganguly cuz he's from india, or i wanted to say that Pakistani captain was better than indian captain
    didnt look at it that way, mate.

    i had written a similar comment on imran and ganguly three years ago and it didnt need a pakistani forum member to inspire me then. so treat it as an opinion from a true cricket fan, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    Jardine, seconded.

    From India, surely MAK Pataudi to get a look if Ganguly does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris jones View Post
    Who are the 10 greatest test captains of all time?

    1. Allan Border
    2. Mike Brearley
    3. Clive Lloyd
    4. Imran Khan
    5. Ian Chappell,Sir Frank Worrell(Add on)
    6. Sourav Ganguly
    7. Sir Viv Richards
    8. Steve Waugh
    9. Ricky Ponting
    10. Stephen Fleming, Graeme Smith

    What’s your take readers ?
    1. Allan Border - yeah somewhere on the list
    2. Mike Brearley - no way, couldn't even justify his spot in Eng's team. not in Engs top 10
    3. Clive Lloyd - Yeah, Somewhere on the list
    4. Imran Khan - Yeah, Somewhere on the list, by far their best ever
    5. Ian Chappell, - Probably on the list
    Sir Frank Worrell - higher up
    6. Sourav Ganguly - not sure, maybe on the list
    7. Sir Viv Richards - no
    8. Steve Waugh - by success yes, but was not particularly imaginative
    9. Ricky Ponting - see S.Waugh
    10. Stephen Fleming - borderline, team wasn't particularly successful but
    Graeme Smith - probably not, too early to judge, not fully convinced

    My List

    1. Sir Frank Worrell
    2. Imran Khan
    3. Warwick Armstrong
    4. Clive Lloyd
    5. Richie Benaud
    6. Don Bradman
    7. Arjuna Ranatunga
    8. Allan Border
    =9. Steve Waugh/Ricky Ponting/Fleming/Ganguly


    Note I couldn't find an Englishman worthy (possibly as I am not learned enough of their history) and I think I know why. Back in the days of the empire, the English tended to be captained by "Gentlemen" - who tended to be average players (generalisation) and hence were never on the scene long. I'm sure there's an Englishman or 2 from the WWII to 1970 period that is escaping my warped memory.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    Jardine was scum!

    Average player who put his own ego ahead of the best interest of the game, the reputation of his team, and the good relations between firm allies. Pissed on the graves of Australians who had fought for England in the first world war, while his daddy was wipping servants in India. Poor Player. Poor Human Being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    didnt look at it that way, mate.

    i had written a similar comment on imran and ganguly three years ago and it didnt need a pakistani forum member to inspire me then. so treat it as an opinion from a true cricket fan, please.
    sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpers_Ghost View Post
    Jardine was scum!

    Average player who put his own ego ahead of the best interest of the game, the reputation of his team, and the good relations between firm allies. Pissed on the graves of Australian's who had fought for England in the first world war, while his daddy was wipping servants in India. Poor Player. Poor Human Being.
    Your evidence to support that nonsensical stream of invective being what exactly?

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