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New series starting on BBC2 tonight

shivfan

Banned
I think they're doing other nations later in the series, this was just the English one. It does Windies, Australia and India in later episodes:)

I thought it was okay, but really tough to get it all in to one hour, 200 odd years, after all. They were always going to miss people and times. Felt a tad hollow, to me.
I hope so....

The only England matches really covered in this series were the ones where England won the Ashes....

For example, they spent more than five minutes on the 2005 Ashes, and less than 30 seconds on the 2007 Ashes. There was no coverage of the WI winning the Lords Test in 1950, or the 'blackwash' suffered in 1984, both of which I thought would've been important to English cricket - not just WI cricket.

Maybe trying to do too much in one hour just weakened the programme.
 

Chubb

International Regular
I think when reacting to this programme we have to keep in mind that it was not made for us; it was made for people who don't know much about cricket. In that context I thought it was fairly good- but it was too superficial even taking its audience into account, and it was certainly rushed. Hopefully the West Indies/ India/ Australia episodes will have a bit more meat in them.
 
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zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
On a related theme, it's worth pointing out that Sky Sports are showing 47 live games of cricket this month, including international matches, women's cricket and county games.

Pretty impressive going, even if it is T20.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
'S'wot having three specialist sports channels enables, really. In fact, inevitably. Once you've got 'em, you have to fill 'em.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Think Peter Oborne should be given his own series, myself. Has those rounded RP vowels and patent passion for his subject that tv loves. Better looking than Schama or Starkey too. He's good attacking the cant of politicians, but I think his real passion is cricket.

Nice to see some of the old fellows looking so well too; Graveney & Bailey both must be into their 80s by now but still seemed in good nick.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Btw, Richard, on another thread you ventured the view that Steve Waugh must have been more RFM than RM in his earlier days - and I disagreed. Having just watched some of the 86/87 highlights, I think that you were right. Surprisingly nippy.
 

James_W

U19 Vice-Captain
Yeah I love the low key celebrations in games of times past. Seems odd as acting like an idiot and shouting always came naturally to me after taking a wicket. The thing that always gets me is that they played in actual shirts, with proper buttons and everything! It almost looks like they just got bored at the office, took off their ties, rolled up their sleeves and wandered out for a game of cricket.
Yeah, Laker taking 19 was on it and he just walked off with a few handshakes, no great furore.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Think Peter Oborne should be given his own series, myself.
Think he's hopelessly overrated, personally. Doubtless he's done some good stuff but this one article in a stroke let him down:
Over the past ten days there has been a noisy display of back-slapping and self-congratulation from the BBC's Test Match Special. The reason for the celebration is not obvious. TMS first got going 44 years ago. No matter. Any excuse is good enough for a party and there is much to celebrate. TMS has become not merely a symbol of the British summer - the smell of freshly mown grass, linseed oil, sunny days, the click of bat upon ball - it is somehow a symbol of Britain herself. It stands for eccentricity and a marvellous innocence. Test Match Special has created a magical world where the two things that matter are whether there are cream buns for tea and the timing of the next English batting collapse. It was proper that the Queen should turn up at Lord's last week and present the commentary team with a fruit-cake.

But there was one false note, and the Queen was not responsible. The programme that the nation was happy to celebrate hardly exists any more. Anyone listening to TMS recently can hardly fail to remark that it has lost the amiable inconsequence and the poetry that it used to possess. There is a reason for this. It has lost and not sought to replace the two men who gave the programme its greatness -and greatness is not too strong a word.

John Arlott and Brian Johnston were different: Arlott with his soft countryman's accent and incomparable gift for a phrase; Johnston with his sublime talent for sub-Wodehouse comedy. But it was these two, balanced by dry summarisers like Trevor Bailey, who made the programme so good.

The BBC seems not to have grasped that the key reason for Arlott and Johnston's appeal was not that they knew all about cricket - though they did - but that they were natural broadcasters. When they went, the corporation fell for a malign modern trend - one that has affected the reporting of all sports - and filled in the gaps with a professional cricketer. Jonathan Agnew, former opening bowler for Leicestershire, has become the dominant voice of the programme in the way that Brian Johnston was in the 1980s and John Arlott before him.

Agnew is hard-working and willing. In his playing days he was the sort of good-hearted bowler who could be relied on to try his hardest on a flat pitch on a hot afternoon when the batsmen were in full cry. But he has none of that gift with words which John Arlott, who described the wicket-keeper Alan Knott as crouching behind the stumps 'like a heraldic device', could conjure up. He has none of Brian Johnston's ability to produce word pictures and slapstick. During the short Pakistan series earlier this year, one of the Pakistan batsmen was suddenly sick on the wicket. Johnston would have turned the consternation that followed into five minutes of pure comedy. Agnew was at first struck speechless, then confined himself to two or three disapproving comments. He could not rise to the occasion.

Unable to conjure up excitement or atmosphere through the use of language, Agnew attempts to introduce vitality into his commentary by placing unexpected stress on random words, as in (these examples are all taken from earlier this year), 'I see Mark Butcher being interrogated at this moment', or 'England got a great early breakthrough and it was the valuable wicket of the Australian captain', or 'Gough comes in and bowls now'. With Agnew there is never any compelling reason for these abrupt changes in emphasis. It is not as if Mark Butcher needs to be distinguished from any other Butcher, and nobody is suggesting that the wicket of Steve Waugh, arguably the finest batsman in the world, comes cheap. Nor is Gough likely to do anything apart from bowl when he runs to the wicket.

Agnew's workmanlike performance is made even more irritating by the way that TMS constantly pretends that he stands in the tradition of Brian Johnston. He is universally called Aggers, the name Johnston bestowed upon him. At least once a Test match, and often rather more than that, the leg-over episode is brought up. This was the moment when the entire commentary box was reduced to helpless mirth by a misunderstanding after Ian Botham trod on - or, as Agnew put it, failed to get his leg over - the wicket. According to the extensive literature that surrounds TMS, it caused young Agnew to be accepted by the TMS team. Perhaps this talismanic occasion is referred to so often because of the present team's need to reassure themselves that they are the inheritors of Johnston, when palpably they are not.

Another myth about Test Match Special is the notion that it is at its best during the long periods when play is interrupted by rain. This proposition did indeed have much to be said for it in the days of Arlott and Johnston. Since then, TMS has become the victim of the myth that only professional sportsmen can communicate the sport under discussion. In fact the opposite is the case. The players themselves, though they understand the technical side of the game, are in most cases unable to evoke its romance. TMS studio discussions are in danger of being overtaken by a dreary, negative, professional attitude. This has become especially obvious now that Graham Gooch (the man who cut short David Gower's career) and squeaky-voiced Mike Gatting are being permitted to take a prominent role as summarisers.

There is still, of course, much to celebrate. TMS comes alive when Henry Blofeld - a survivor from the Johnston years - takes over. Blofeld can indeed conjure up that Johnstonian buffoonery. The odd phrase is not beyond him either. As the batsmen struggled on the opening morning of the first Test, Blowers pronounced that 'each England run was greeted by the crowd like the relief of Mafeking'. His gully fielders stand 'upright, hands behind their backs, like guardsmen' in-between deliveries. Christopher Martin-Jenkins is another survivor of the old days. His commentary is scholarly, fastidious and distinguished. He is the true inheritor from E.W. Swanton, who summed up a day's play on the programme so majestically. But CMJ and Blowers cannot last for ever: the programme suffered terribly when Blofeld had a heart attack two years back.

Of course Johnston and Arlott were unique. It is no use trying to look for carbon copies. But replacing them with ex-cricketers is no solution, either. The BBC has been negligent. It must go out and hunt for men or women who can end the linguistic poverty that is in danger of swamping the programme. Perhaps there is an obscure poet in the arts department with an inexhaustible passion for the game? Perhaps an amateur cricketer repines in the light-comedy section? Perhaps Rory Bremner, who loves cricket, harbours a secret yearning to present TMS? The BBC must find these people or nobody will want to celebrate its anniversary in 44 years' time.
As Aggers pointed-out when he objected to the piece, "Shoaib was feared to have cancer. How positively hilarious."
 

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Besides, he's employed to write about cricket, not rant about someone he doesn't like.

Back on topic, pretty decent nostalgia-fest if a bit one-eyed. It's fair enough considering they're doing an episode for each team, but i'd much rather a series of well-documented histories than a lot of biased broadcasts all pointing in different directions. Will definitely be watching the rest though.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Yes, one hour was never going to be enough, and it barely scratched the surface. Frankly, some bits were downright misleading. And iirc the concluding comments were a downright steal from the end of Dereck Birley's 'Social History of English Cricket'. There were some good clips though: I particularly enjoyed Compton's cigarettes advert, which couldn't have been betterd by Harry Enfield or the Fast Show. And Vorster was still vile enough to send a shudder down any right-thinking person's back.
 

stumpski

International Captain
Hmmm, finally got round to watching it. 7 out of 10 I'd say. Clearly it wasn't aimed at us cricket nuts, more at someone who doesn't often follow the game but might do so in an Ashes year or during a World Cup. I can only assume that was why so much time was given over to the 2005 Ashes, which seemed pretty irrelevant to the earlier content.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Hmmm, finally got round to watching it. 7 out of 10 I'd say. Clearly it wasn't aimed at us cricket nuts, more at someone who doesn't often follow the game but might do so in an Ashes year or during a World Cup. I can only assume that was why so much time was given over to the 2005 Ashes, which seemed pretty irrelevant to the earlier content.
No, the fact they felt the need to explain what the follow on was gave the game away. Although, given it was shown at 10.30 on Beeb 2 Sunday night, one can't help but think who but cricket fans would be watching?

Thought it was a fair stab at pouring a gallon into a pint pot, myself. Focussed mainly on The Ashes, but it is an Ashes summer, I suppose.
 

stumpski

International Captain
The conclusion was a bit fatuous, I thought. "England has to accept that it's only one player in the empire of cricket," or something like that. Who would seriously pretend otherwise, or have done so in the last 50 years? That's how long it's been since we were generally acknowledged as the world's best side. We're proud of our team when they win, but that's hardly a uniquely English, or British, trait.
 

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Yes, one hour was never going to be enough, and it barely scratched the surface. Frankly, some bits were downright misleading. And iirc the concluding comments were a downright steal from the end of Dereck Birley's 'Social History of English Cricket'. There were some good clips though: I particularly enjoyed Compton's cigarettes advert, which couldn't have been betterd by Harry Enfield or the Fast Show. And Vorster was still vile enough to send a shudder down any right-thinking person's back.
Haha yeah, was the highlight of the show for me.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
The conclusion was a bit fatuous, I thought. "England has to accept that it's only one player in the empire of cricket," or something like that. Who would seriously pretend otherwise, or have done so in the last 50 years? That's how long it's been since we were generally acknowledged as the world's best side. We're proud of our team when they win, but that's hardly a uniquely English, or British, trait.
Most of us are indeed lovely, fair-minded chaps you could introduce to the vicar without fear of embarrassment, but I think there is still a slight strain of English sports fans who've never quite got over Johnny Foreigner beating us at our own game(s). The docu did labour the point, somewhat and was a bit too black and white with its proles/posho = good/bad opposition.

Actually, the bit that irked me most was the suggestion that Lord Jardine decided to "play dirty". Says who? Broke no laws of the game I know of. Later on they were at pains to praise Illingworth's professionalism, but slandered the great man (a professional in all but assignation and upbringing) as someone unfit to captain a sports team. The suggestion seemingly we should turn up and play the gallant loser.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha, I bet there are plenty of people who would take issue with Bodyline not being a decision to 'play dirty' rules or not :D
 

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Hahaha indeed. I'd be interested in hearing Brumby's case for it being acceptable.
 

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