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    CMJ's top 100

    CMJ picks his 100 greatest cricketers of all time - Times Online

    as we try to select our top 25 batsmen and bowlers chris martin jenkins has written a book on his top 100 test cricketers. should be worth a discussion

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    no kumble in top 100? that is strange.

    alan davidson may not find a place too.

    the top 10, i guess, could be

    bradman
    sobers
    grace
    hobbs
    richards
    warne
    tendulkar
    hammond
    barnes
    gilchrist

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    This guy has no clue what his talking about. No Matthew Hayden but yet Sangakkara, Pietersen, Jayasuriya, Jayawardene and Smith all made the list.

    Jayasuriya rated ahead of Dravid, Flower, Donald, Holding, Walsh, Greenidge, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    This guy has no clue what his talking about.
    One of the most respected cricket writers in the world.

    CMJ in "Hayden Not Universally Respected" shocker


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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    This guy has no clue what his talking about. No Matthew Hayden but yet Sangakkara, Pietersen, Jayasuriya, Jayawardene and Smith all made the list.

    Jayasuriya rated ahead of Dravid, Flower, Donald, Holding, Walsh, Greenidge, etc.
    I would say the same thing if Hayden listed in top 10 ahead of Murali, Marshall and Imran
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    One of the most respected cricket writers in the world.

    CMJ in "Hayden Not Universally Respected" shocker
    Listing Pietersen, Jayawardene, Smith and probably even Jayasuriya ahead of him is a confusing move, though.

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    Love reading lists and it's an impossible task really as he mentioned in the article.

    A little surprised that he'd have KP already ahead of Steve Waugh, but ah well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBloody Idiot View Post
    Listing Pietersen, Jayawardene, Smith and probably even Jayasuriya ahead of him is a confusing move, though.
    Yeah Jayasuriya is surprising; there's a case for saying that the others you've mentioned deserve to be above Hayden though. I haven't read his reasoning yet but I'm looking forward to doing so. I imagine his rating of Jayasuriya is heavily influenced by the impact SJ has made in ODI cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Yeah Jayasuriya is surprising; there's a case for saying that the others you've mentioned deserve to be above Hayden though. I haven't read his reasoning yet but I'm looking forward to doing so. I imagine his rating of Jayasuriya is heavily influenced by the impact SJ has made in ODI cricket.
    There is no way that Sangakkara, Smith or Jayawardene are better then Hayden. Pietersen in the future, maybe, but Hayden's in the top 5 openers of alltime.

    Anyways I put together a list of my own...

    001. Sir Donald Bradman
    002. Sir Garfield Sobers
    003. Sir Jack Hobbs
    004. Shane Warne
    005. Sachin Tendulkar
    006. Sir Vivian Richards
    007. Imran Khan
    008. Ricky Ponting
    009. Walter Hammond
    010. Glenn McGrath
    011. Malcom Marshall
    012. Wasim Akram
    013. Graeme Pollock
    014. Curtly Ambrose
    015. Muttiah Muralitharan
    016. Keith Miller
    017. Brian Lara
    018. Greg Chappell
    019. Sunil Gavaskar
    020. Sir Leonard Hutton
    021. Sir Richard Hadlee
    022. Dennis Lillee
    023. Fred Trueman
    024. Michael Holding
    025. Joel Garner
    026. Ian Botham
    027. Dennis Compton
    028. Matthew Hayden
    029. Steve Waugh
    030. Allan Border
    031. Jacques Kallis
    032. Javed Miandad
    033. Rahul Dravid
    034. Hebert Sutcliffe
    035. Neil Harvey
    036. Allan Donald
    037. Kevin Pietersen
    038. Adam Gilchrist
    039. Frank Worrell
    040. Jim Laker
    041. Waqar Younis
    042. Allan Davidson
    043. Andy Flower
    044. Courtney Walsh
    045. Shaun Pollock
    046. Anil Kumble
    047. Clyde Walcott
    048. Bill Ponsford
    049. Jeff Thomson
    050. Ken Barrington
    051. Barry Richards
    052. Ray Lindwall
    053. Kumar Sangakkara
    054. Victor Trumper
    055. Bill O'Reilly
    056. Everton Weekes
    057. Bon Willis
    058. Richie Benaud
    059. Kapil Dev
    060. Peter May
    061. Arthur Morris
    062. Gordon Greenidge
    063. Graeme Smith
    064. Headley Verity
    065. Geoffrey Boycott
    066. Abdul Qadir
    067. Lance Gibbs
    068. Sydney Barnes
    064. Wilfred Rhodes
    065. Allan Knott
    066. Clarrie Grimmett
    067. Alec Bedser
    068. Graham Gooch
    069. Bill Johnston
    070. Peter Pollock
    071. Derek Underwood
    072. Bishan Bedi
    073. John Snow
    074. Les Ames
    075. Stan McCabe
    076. Clive Lloyd
    077. Andrew Flintoff
    078. David Gower
    079. Wes Hell
    080. Andy Roberts
    081. Mohammad Yousuf
    082. Colin Cowdrey
    083. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    084. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    085. Bruce Mitchell
    086. Doug Walters
    087. Ted Dexter
    088. Harold Larwood
    089. George Lohmann
    090. FR Spofforth
    091. Vijay Merchant
    092. Shoaib Akhtar
    093. Brian Statham
    094. Gary Kirsten
    095. Dudley Nourse
    096. Bill Lawry
    097. Zaheer Abbas
    098. Bob Simpson
    099. Clem Hill
    100. Sir Conrad Hunte

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    no inzi?

    I can understand not picking him in the top fifty, but top hundred?

    taking the piss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Yeah Jayasuriya is surprising; there's a case for saying that the others you've mentioned deserve to be above Hayden though. I haven't read his reasoning yet but I'm looking forward to doing so. I imagine his rating of Jayasuriya is heavily influenced by the impact SJ has made in ODI cricket.
    I don't think Pietersen has any case to be considered above Hayden. For now, at least.

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    I like it. Leaving out Hayden is a bit silly, but you can't have everything.
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    Ben, Hayden ahead of Sutcliffe, Ponsford, Dravid, Kallis, Richards, Barrington, Trumper, Weekes, Walcott, Waqar, Sydney Barnes, Courtney Walsh, Roberts and Benaud? Can't say I agree with that. Hayden should probably be in the top 100, but certainly not in the top 30 for me. I don't think Ricky Ponting is the 8th greatest player to have ever played the game either. Probably in the Top 30odd, but not the Top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    Ben, Hayden ahead of Sutcliffe, Ponsford, Dravid, Kallis, Richards, Barrington, Trumper, Weekes, Walcott, Waqar, Sydney Barnes, Courtney Walsh, Roberts and Benaud? Can't say I agree with that. Hayden should probably be in the top 100, but certainly not in the top 30 for me. I don't think Ricky Ponting is the 8th greatest player to have ever played the game either. Probably in the Top 30odd, but not the Top 10.
    Hayden's better then all of those players that you mentioned. You even said that you rated Hayden an alltime great but yet you don't consider Dravid to be one, now you're saying Dravid over Hayden? Crazy man.

    No shame in putting Ponting in the top 10. Statistically, probably the 2nd best batsman ever (not saying he is), and his such a great batsman to watch. Makes runs in the tougher conditions, when the team is in trouble aswell. Playing 130 odd Tests and his lowest average against an opposition country is 47.

    Performance wise, he arguably stakes greater claims then Warne or Sobers, who moreso get in people's good books because of reputation and their ability to produce something amazing. What people ignore is that Sobers was moreso a lower-order batsman, who cashed in heavily against India on flat Indian tracks when India was very, very feeble and that although he could bowl pace & spin; he wasn't a talisman with the ball, striking at every 92 balls per wicket, so he was never going to run through an opposition.

    Warne also got destroyed by every International batsman who was good enough to make hay against spin bowling. The best two batsman he bowled to in International cricket both murdered him - Tendulkar & Lara. However, Warne was unique and successful, so of course he should be in the top 10 cricketers of alltime, despite the fact that he failed miserably against the best opposition that he faced. Not to say Murali is better because he suffered similar treatment.

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    The only reason I said Hayden was an all-time great over Dravid on MSN to you is because I honestly didn't want to get into a discussion about Hayden with you, as they're incredibly tedious. I don't rate Hayden anywhere near as highly as you do, and having read up more on Dravid, watched a few video clips I now hold him in far higher regard. He still wouldn't be in my top 20 or probably 30, but I'd have him ahead of Hayden.

    As for the claims that Sobers was a lower order batsman that cashed in on flat tracks, it's a pretty laughable opinion tbh. I don't even think it's worth attempting to prove you wrong with stats, as frankly it's so incorrect. A Hayden fan slagging off Sobers for cashing in on Flat tracks is pure hilarity. Sobers was a far better batsman than Hayden could ever hope to be. Sobers was also very good in the field, and was an expert in the close in positions, most notably at slip and leg-slip, and although his bowling was never Marshall-esque, he offered a useful option with his medium-fast seam bowling, and then a very useful left-arm spin option. He is the definition of all-rounder, and the most naturally talented cricketer the game has seen, miles ahead of Ponting.

    I notice there's no WG Grace in your list as well?
    Last edited by King Pietersen; 16-05-2009 at 07:39 AM.

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