Useless Clarke

[NUFAN]

Precam aside, Clarke is quite useless in ODIs these days and shouldn't be anywhere near the side. I'd much rather Katich (unfairly treated in past) or Quiney or Hughes or Klinger (or Jaques long term) opening in ODIs when Marsh is injured. Doing great in Tests though.

Do you rate Klinger as an OD batsman? I know before this year he had a far better record in List A matches over First Class Cricket, but having watched him bat for SA in as much OD Cricket as Fox Sports have shown, I don't think he'd do better than what Clarke was doing before last night.

Klinger just seems like a 34 off 48 ball type of player.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Klinger just seems like a 34 off 48 ball type of player.

He is.

 

[pasag]

Do you rate Klinger as an OD batsman?

Not really, just more than Clarke. Would even rather Warner there. He'll obviously never be dropped, just saying.

 

[Matt79]

66 off 60 balls against the number 1 rated team on the world in his most recent dig. Clearly Clarke is a useless hack . Expect that kind of cretinness from Precam but the rest of you?

 

[chaminda_00]

66 off 60 balls against the number 1 rated team on the world in his most recent dig. Clearly Clarke is a useless hack . Expect that kind of cretinness from Precam but the rest of you?

You got to laugh at some of comments here and especially ones by experienced posters. You got to wonder what they expect from the players. Score a hundred every match and win by 10 wickets or 150 odd runs.

Clarke averages over 40 in ODIs @ a s/r of 80 odd. Pretty sure atleast five other top ODI nations would take him in a heatbeat.

 

[pasag]

66 off 60 balls against the number 1 rated team on the world in his most recent dig. Clearly Clarke is a useless hack . Expect that kind of cretinness from Precam but the rest of you?

He has become a useless hack in the format in the past few years, but lets not let that get in the way of blindly frothing over Australia's golden boy. This is one of the reasons I don't bother much here anymore, make a comment against a player and it gets labled as 'cretinness' by the fanboys.

 

[pasag]

You got to laugh at some of comments here and especially ones by experienced posters. You got to wonder what they expect from the players. Score a hundred every match and win by 10 wickets or 150 odd runs.

Clarke averages over 40 in ODIs @ a s/r of 80 odd. Pretty sure atleast five other top ODI nations would take him in a heatbeat.

This is the English mentality in some circles - he still averages over 40 so he must be good. The World Cup is coming up and if we want to match India and South Africa we're not going to do it with average players even if a couple other sides would 'jump at at a heartbeat'.

 

[chaminda_00]

This is the English mentality in some circles - he still averages over 40 so he must be good. The World Cup is coming up and if we want to match India and South Africa we're not going to do it with average players even if a couple other sides would 'jump at at a heartbeat'.

But there is no players that anyone would want from the English ODI team apart from KP.

Anyway you want to replace him with an even more average player in Klinger or a one trick pony in Warner. Katich himself is as average when it comes down it. Jaques is the only non average option until Hughes finds his feet in One Day matches. Quiney is probably better then average, but like Dave Hussey he is very hot and cold.

The problem with Clarke is that he is batting out of position. We all knew this would happen if he got a run as opener. But as a middle order batsmen he is one of best batsmen in the world. He is far from average as a middle order batsmen.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Not sure how you all haven't seen me or anyone else post these stats, but for Matt and Tharmi, here ya go:

In the last twelve months, Clarke has 521 runs @ 28.94, with a disgustingly horrible S/R of 65.53. He also has no hundreds in this time. Ironically, David Hussey, who everyone is calling for to be dropped has 477 runs @ 25.10 with a superb S/R of 83.39. 20 balls less per hundred runs for Hussey and only 4 less runs per innings.

EDIT: To address Tharmi's point above, I'll split it into opening and middle order batting over the last year:

Middle order: 8 innings, 148 runs @ 21.14, HS. 56, S/R: 54.01 (Disgustingly bad), 1 50, 0 100.
Opening: 8 innings, 333 runs @ 41.62, HS. 98, S/R: 79.85, 4 50, 0 100.

Awesome point you make there.

 

[pasag]

But there is no players that anyone would want from the English ODI team apart from KP.

Anyway you want to replace him with an even more average player in Klinger or a one trick pony in Warner. Katich himself is as average when it comes down it. Jaques is the only non average option until Hughes finds his feet in One Day matches. Quiney is probably better then average, but like Dave Hussey he is very hot and cold.

The problem with Clarke is that he is batting out of position. We all knew this would happen if he got a run as opener. But as a middle order batsmen he is one of best batsmen in the world. He is far from average as a middle order batsmen.

Those lists of names basically illustrated I'd rather anyone but him at the moment. Yes, Clarke was one of the best middle order bats going around, but that was a long time ago now and his downfall started long before his move up the order.

 

[chaminda_00]

Didn't realise his stats were that bad. But tbh if you went purely on stats for the last season or so, not many of them would last. Symonds and Ponting have been as poor. Sometimes you have to look beyond just recent form.

Mussey statically has been the best of the batsmen as well, but has looked worse then all of them, including his brother and White.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Hussey's been in great touch in one day cricket.

Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. One Day cricket isn't Test Cricket ffs.

 

[Redbacks]

Dead rubber runs He was poor in the 4th ODI, to the point where the commentator mentioned he was 'batting well for someone who was missing a middle in his bat'.

Watson did alright as an opener I thought?

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Watson did alright as an opener I thought?

555 runs @ 39.64, S/R: 88.37, HS. 126, 4 50's, 1 100.

Good, especially with the S/R.

Not sure he's the man to bat next to Haddin though, I think Marsh is better off there. Bit steadier whilst Haddin goes a bit, whereas Watto and Haddin could be 0/100 from 13 or 2/5 from 3.

 

[chaminda_00]

Wouldn't Haddin come down the order once Watson come back.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Doubtful. He looks a lot steadier at the top than Clarke ever will.

 

[chaminda_00]

Doubtful. He looks a lot steadier at the top than Clarke ever will.

Marsh and Watson at the top tbh.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I imagine they'll put Watson at 7 because he's much better in that position than Haddin. Marsh and Haddin opening.

 

[Noble One]

Haddin has the experience of opening for NSW for a number of years. Have more confidence in his ability at the top than Clarke.

Still prefer to see Marsh and Watson opening. Good combination.

 

[chaminda_00]

I imagine they'll put Watson at 7 because he's much better in that position than Haddin. Marsh and Haddin opening.

I don't think they would have called him up as a specialist batsmen, unless they wanted him at the top of the order. I think Haddin can do a job at 6/7 now he has more experience at International level. He shown at domestic level he more suited to batting down the order, then as opener.