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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Sobers - Kallis - Warne - Murali - stats - eyewitness evidence - Babe Ruth - Andrew Macdonald - close the thread please - goodbye

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Although I don't really agree with Uppercut (although I can see his point) I suppose it has to be conceded that overarm bowling wasn't even legal when WG began his career
    Sorry Fred, not correct.

    Overarm bowling was legalised in 1864. WG was only 16 years old then. So he had all the time to bowl completely over-arm if he wished from the very beginning but he preferred to bowl round arm well into the 20th century as did some others though most switched over to overarm in international cricket at least in the 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Sorry Fred, not correct.

    Overarm bowling was legalised in 1864. WG was only 16 years old then. So he had all the time to bowl completely over-arm if he wished from the very beginning but he preferred to bowl round arm well into the 20th century as did some others though most switched over to overarm in international cricket at least in the 20th century.
    Yes but he was playing against the formidable All England XI in 1863 - the point I was making was that he learnt his bowling, by necessity, as a round armer


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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    I don't disagree with you SJS - judging by different criteria will give different opinions - WG had a degree of dominance over his peers that no modern day rival can come close to matching - but I would accept that doesn't really help much in making comparisons
    Aye- even mentioning it is immediately harsh on Dev, Hadlee, Imran and Botham.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Yes but he was playing against the formidable All England XI in 1863 - the point I was making was that he learnt his bowling, by necessity, as a round armer
    Sure but a very large number of his contemporaries actually changed their bowling method and many of them were much older than he was when the law came. After all he played first class cricket for another forty years all of it under the changed law.

    I think he was comfortable with his bowling and never felt the need to change. It just denied us the pleasure of knowing who he may have been comparable with if he had

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    Based on Post WW 2 Stats minus minnows here are the allrounders short listed

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    All Rounders											
    											
    N Kapil Dev (India) 	129 	5172 	163 	30.97 	8 	430 	9/83 	29.61 	23 	64 	0
    IT Botham (Eng)  	102 	5200 	208 	33.54 	14 	383 	8/34 	28.40 	27 	120 	0
    SM Pollock (SA) 	100 	3630 	111 	32.12 	2 	389 	7/87 	23.74 	15 	62 	0
    Imran Khan (Pak) 	88 	3807 	136 	37.69 	6 	362 	8/58 	22.81 	23 	28 	0
    A Flintoff (Eng) 	70 	3562 	167 	32.38 	5 	202 	5/58 	33.23 	2 	50 	0
    AW Greig (Eng) 	58 	3599 	148 	40.43 	8 	141 	8/86 	32.20 	6 	87 	0
    KR Miller (Aus) 	55 	2958 	147 	36.97 	7 	170 	7/60 	22.97 	7 	38 	0
    CL Cairns (NZ) 	52 	2756 	158 	32.04 	3 	166 	7/27 	31.96 	10 	14 	0
    MH Mankad (India) 	44 	2109 	231 	31.47 	5 	162 	8/52 	32.32 	8 	33 	0
    TL Goddard (SA) 	41 	2516 	112 	34.46 	1 	123 	6/53 	26.22 	5 	48 	0
    											
    Bowling All Rounders											
    											
    Wasim Akram (Pak) 	92	2458 	123 	21.18 	2 	367 	7/119 	23.78 	21 	39 	0
    Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 	86 	3124 	151* 	27.16 	2 	431 	9/52 	22.29 	36 	39 	0
    R Benaud (Aus) 	63 	2201 	122 	24.45 	3 	248 	7/72 	27.03 	16 	65 	0
    TE Bailey (Eng) 	61 	2290 	134* 	29.74 	1 	132 	7/34 	29.21 	5 	32 	0
    R Illingworth (Eng) 	61 	1836 	113 	23.24 	2 	122 	6/29 	31.20 	3 	45 	0
    RR Lindwall (Aus) 	61 	1502 	118 	21.15 	2 	228 	7/38 	23.03 	12 	26 	0.
    BR Taylor (NZ)  	30  	898  	124  	20.40  	2  	111  	7/74  	26.60  	4  	10  	0
    											
    											
    Batting All Rounders											
    											
    JH Kallis (SA) 	118 	9198 	186 	51.38 	27 	219 	6/54 	33.94 	3 	131 	0
    GS Sobers (WI) 	93 	8032 	365* 	57.78 	26 	235 	6/73 	34.03 	6 	109 	0
    SR Waugh (Aus) 	163 	10381 	200 	48.96 	29 	92 	5/28 	36.75 	3 	108 	0
    ST Jayasuriya (SL) 	92 	5865 	340 	38.58 	11 	73 	5/34 	39.28 	1 	68 	0
    Mudassar (Pak)	76 	4114 	231 	38.09 	10 	66 	6/32 	38.36 	1 	48 	0
    BE Congdon (NZ) 	61 	3448 	176 	32.22 	7 	59 	5/65 	36.50 	1 	44 	0
    JR Reid (NZ)  	58  	3428  	142  	33.28  	6  	85  	6/60  	33.35  	1  	43  	1
    Mushtaq Mohd (Pak)	57	3643 	201 	39.17 	10 	79 	5/28 	29.22 	3 	42 	0
    FMM Worrell (WI) 	51 	3860 	261 	49.48 	9 	69 	7/70 	38.72 	2 	43 	0
    											
    Wicket Keeping All Rounders											
    											
    											
    IA Healy (Aus) 	118 	4351 	161* 	27.53 	4 	- 	- 	- 	- 	364 	29
    MV Boucher (SA) 	111 	4208 	122* 	28.62 	3 	1 	1/6 	6.00 	0 	390 	18
    RW Marsh (Aus) 	96 	3633 	132 	26.51 	3 	0 	- 	- 	0 	343 	12
    APE Knott (Eng) 	95 	4389 	135 	32.75 	5 	- 	- 	- 	- 	250 	19
    AC Gilchrist (Aus)	89 	5143 	204* 	46.33 	15 	- 	- 	- 	- 	351 	32
    SMH Kirmani (India)	88	2759 	102 	27.04 	2 	1 	1/9 	13.00 	0 	160 	38
    PJL Dujon (WI) 	79 	3146 	139 	31.46 	5 	- 	- 	- 	- 	265 	5
    AJ Stewart (Eng) 	76 	4057 	173 	32.98 	4 	- 	- 	- 	- 	216 	14
    Moin Khan (Pak) 	62 	2459 	137 	28.92 	4 	- 	- 	- 	- 	122 	20
    RD Jacobs (WI) 	56 	2249 	118 	26.77 	3 	- 	- 	- 	- 	176 	10
    AC Parore (NZ) 	56 	2122 	110 	25.87 	2 	- 	- 	- 	- 	159 	7
    A Flower (Zim) 	51 	4166 	232* 	52.73 	11 	- 	- 	- 	- 	133 	7
    JHB Waite (SA) 	49 	2336 	134 	30.33 	4 	- 	- 	- 	- 	124 	17
    KC Sangakkara (SL)	40	2658 	230 	39.67 	6 	- 	- 	- 	- 	99 	14
    Kamran Akmal (Pak)	38	2008 	158* 	34.62 	6 	- 	- 	- 	- 	121 	18
    Pl feel free to add, delete, debate before we start the first round of polls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    For Test matches only

    • Batting Allrounder : Sobers
    • Bowling All Rounder : Miller
    • Keeping All Rounder : Ames
    I've always regarded Ames as overrated

    From what I've read, he wasnt the greatest keeper and his batting record is padded by returns against lesser teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Based on Post WW 2 Stats minus minnows here are the allrounders short listed
    Pl feel free to add, delete, debate before we start the first round of polls.
    I don't think Jayasuriya deserves to be a test all rounder, although he is one of the greatest in ODIs. But this man with batting average of 38.9 and bowling average of 28.3, worth a mention, although in latter years of his career he did no turn his arm over
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    I was thinking of having separate polls for each category. we should vote for top 4 all rounders, top 2 bowling all rounders, top 2 batting allrounders and top 2 wicket keeping all rounders. and combine all 10 winners to have a final where we vote for 3 all rounders. does it sound too dumb?
    Last edited by bagapath; 25-03-2009 at 05:58 AM.

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    Tbh.

    Mitchell Johnson averages 85 with the bat and 28 with the ball.



















    At his peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwo View Post
    Tbh.

    Mitchell Johnson averages 85 with the bat and 28 with the ball.



















    At his peak.
    ravi shastri averaged 206 with the bat and 20.5 with the ball at his peak.

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