India Breaks it Finally !!

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by Pratters

I agree that this is one of the two best Indian sides ever. Not just the best yet. That would take a bit more time to achieve, if at all they do achieve it.

But this team did win in WI, Eng, Pak and hopefully they will win it in NZ too. Not to forget that it came close to winning the series in Australia too. I would put this team ahead of any team India has had in its entire history.

[Pratters]

Originally Posted by Sanz

But this team did win in WI, Eng, Pak and hopefully they will win it in NZ too. Not to forget that it came close to winning the series in Australia too. I would put this team ahead of any team India has had in its entire history.

The 67/68 side also won in Nzl apart from WI and Eng. Pak matches were always draws due to flat decks and teams being too conservative in their approach. After conquering Windies and then England, the side was arguably the best ever in the world and many tagged them world champions for a while. This side doesn't get that tag yet as there are South Africa and Australia who are also very strong/stronger.

[Uppercut]

Has to be said that the Indian team that didn't get anywhere near winning in Australia last year (if we're honest) was quite a bit different to the one that's playing today. Lots of players have been replaced and the ones that haven't have improved quite a bit.

[Fidel Castro]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Has to be said that the Indian team that didn't get anywhere near winning in Australia last year (if we're honest) was quite a bit different to the one that's playing today. Lots of players have been replaced and the ones that haven't have improved quite a bit.

Cricinfo - 3rd Test: Australia v India at Perth, Jan 16-19, 2008

[jeevan]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Has to be said that the Indian team that didn't get anywhere near winning in Australia last year (if we're honest) was quite a bit different to the one that's playing today. Lots of players have been replaced and the ones that haven't have improved quite a bit.

Perth, as mentioned. And let's not even get started about Sydney, eh? *That's* been the only thing to come close to the intensity of a good old India-Pakistan shouting match.

[Krishna_j]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Has to be said that the Indian team that didn't get anywhere near winning in Australia last year (if we're honest) .

Looks like most of the Sydney test , Perth test and the Carlton and United one-day series were aberrations

[Jono]

I think you guys have misinterpreted Uppercut here.

Even though I disagree with him regarding not close to winning the test series (very competitive in Sydney and Adelaide)... all he's stating is that the current Indian team would have a better chance at beating Australia right now, than they did in 07/08.

He's not wrong. Zaheer was injured for that series, and Ishant was very very inexperienced. Add to that we now have Dhoni's captaincy, and Gambhir going strong.

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by Fidel Castro

Cricinfo - 3rd Test: Australia v India at Perth, Jan 16-19, 2008

Originally Posted by jeevan

Perth, as mentioned. And let's not even get started about Sydney, eh? *That's* been the only thing to come close to the intensity of a good old India-Pakistan shouting match.

Originally Posted by Krishna_j

Looks like most of the Sydney test , Perth test and the Carlton and United one-day series were aberrations

Hahaha, Indian cricket fans. I meant they got nowhere near winning the series. They didn't. Maybe could have got a draw though with a lot more luck.

But yeah, Jono nailed the actual point being made.

[Fidel Castro]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Hahaha, Indian cricket fans. I meant they got nowhere near winning the series. They didn't. Maybe could have got a draw though with a lot more luck.

But yeah, Jono nailed the actual point being made.

Never mind. Since the end of Sydney Test, India has dominated Australia.

Are you on drinks? What is with the intimidating "Indian fans... " line?

[Uppercut]

I just find a bit of a persecution complex with Indian fans online that i don't get anywhere near as much with those of any other country. England probably got closer to winning against SA in the series at home last summer than India did in Australia the previous winter, but if i were to casually say (quite rightly) that England got nowhere near a victory I'm not going to have three English fans jump on me for it.

There's a degree of sensitivity around that particular series i guess. But i have pretty mixed opinions of every team and it's only ever the Indians that call me out for baiting when i say something less than complementary about their side.

[G.I.Joe]

Always felt that Voltman is an honorary Indian tbh.

[Fidel Castro]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

I just find a bit of a persecution complex with Indian fans online that i don't get anywhere near as much with those of any other country. England probably got closer to winning against SA in the series at home last summer than India did in Australia the previous winter, but if i were to casually say (quite rightly) that England got nowhere near a victory I'm not going to have three English fans jump on me for it.

There's a degree of sensitivity around that particular series i guess. But i have pretty mixed opinions of every team and it's only ever the Indians that call me out for baiting when i say something less than complementary about their side.

I would have shouted "Hound" but for the overall depravity of sense the post exudes.

Do not blame "persecution complex (Haha what is that by the way)" for yourself not getting a sense of perspective. And at the suggestion that England were closer to winning the home series (by jove, weren't they routed before they made a "comeback" in the dead rubbers"?) than India. We have all seen Sydney 2008 and I guess this forum would have seen the worst of it. Hence I don't want to cut open a canfull of worms.

And nothing but your bias, am afraid, is showing up, when you endeavour to compare English fans to Indian fans. By that, you are doing nothing but taking a small sample (Bogans indeed exist among Indian fans, like any other population) and projecting it to the whole. By that logic, from now on, every nation should put a no immigration policy on English football fans considering the ruckus they have managed to incite wherever they go. But then, we really don't want and need to go there, do we?

Cricket Forums would be a better place, if massive generalisations and hasty judgments are done away with and instead discussions centered around the topics than ancillary and sometimes unwanted details.

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by Fidel Castro

I would have shouted "Hound" but for the overall depravity of sense the post exudes.

Do not blame "persecution complex (Haha what is that by the way)" for yourself not getting a sense of perspective. And at the suggestion that England were closer to winning the home series (by jove, weren't they routed before they made a "comeback" in the dead rubbers"?) than India. We have all seen Sydney 2008 and I guess this forum would have seen the worst of it. Hence I don't want to cut open a canfull of worms.

And nothing but your bias, am afraid, is showing up, when you endeavour to compare English fans to Indian fans. By that, you are doing nothing but taking a small sample (Bogans indeed exist among Indian fans, like any other population) and projecting it to the whole. By that logic, from now on, every nation should put a no immigration policy on English football fans considering the ruckus they have managed to incite wherever they go. But then, we really don't want and need to go there, do we?

Cricket Forums would be a better place, if massive generalisations and hasty judgments are done away with and instead discussions centered around the topics than ancillary and sometimes unwanted details.

What a near-incomprehensible yet utterly brilliant piece of literature that post was.

Anyway, it's not a generalisation, and don't think that it's reflecting on you personally, but I'm most certainly far more likely to get jumped on for expressing a negative opinion about an Indian player or team than I am a West Indian one, for example. The comparison with English football fans is pretty apt, actually. It's a tendency among some fans (not all, obviously) to react against criticism of their team by accusing me of bias against them. Football pundits here are accused of bias against pretty much every premiership team for daring to suggest that a certain player isn't good enough or that an area of their side needs to be improved.

The fact is, i have no reason in the world to favour Australia over India. Why would i? It's such a strange thing to even suggest. I just have opinions on their respective sides. Sehwag is awesome and Mishy rules, but Dravid should have been dropped yonks ago and Kumble was a dire captain. Mitchell Johnson's probably the best fast bowler in the world but Australia's spin bowling is beyond a joke. The opinion that India weren't really anywhere near winning in Australia is just another of those thoughts, but this time, i get jumped on. Strange.

[Evermind]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

I just find a bit of a persecution complex with Indian fans online that i don't get anywhere near as much with those of any other country.

There's a degree of sensitivity around that particular series i guess. But i have pretty mixed opinions of every team and it's only ever the Indians that call me out for baiting when i say something less than complementary about their side.

Welcome to the consequences of stating facts about the Indian team. I am frequently maligned on these forums for saying slightly negative things about the Indian team. I claimed that the Indian team is nowhere near the best team in the world, and a couple of people got annoyed. I say Zaheer and Ishant aren't the best opening pair in the world, and got some **** too. No degree of criticism is tolerated, but especially about Tendulkar.

[Xuhaib]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

There's a degree of sensitivity around that particular series i guess. But i have pretty mixed opinions of every team and it's only ever the Indians that call me out for baiting when i say something less than complementary about their side.

I too have noticed on cricket forums Indian fans getting too defensive If their team or players (especially Tendulkar) get criticized but I feel this forum is one of the few exceptions. Apart from one or two **** heads who bitch and moan constantly most of the Indian fans are pretty decent. Guys like Jono, SS, SJS, etc are pretty knowledgeable and can engage in good quality cricket discussion without showing any biasness towards their team.