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ATG Test XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. Richard Hadlee 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath
Apparently Barnes did bowl to Len Hutton in 1933 according to Bernard Hollowood ('Boys Own Paper'),
Here is the scorecard;All who have been fortunate enough to play with him are agreed that as a bowler of length and spin, Barnes has no equal. Even one of our youngest cricketers, the record breaking Len Hutton, has said, 'One of my best innings was against Sydney Barnes when I was sixteen; I scored 69 not out.' I remember that innings of Hutton's and I recall the warm praise it received from Barnes.
Cited in 'The Greatest of Bowlers' (1970) by Bernard Hollowood
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01. Victor Trumper 02. Warren Bardsley 03. Clem Hill 04. Charlie Macartney 05. Warwick Armstrong 06. Monty Noble 07. George Giffen 08. Hugh Trumble 09. Jack Blackham 10. Fred Spofforth 11. Ernie Jones
01. Jack Hobbs 02. WG Grace 03. Kumar Ranjitsinhji 04. Johnny Tyldesley 05. Frank Woolley 06. Stanley Jackson 07. Frank Foster 08. Arthur Lilley 09. George Lohmann 10. Tom Richardson 11. Sydney Barnes
Here is an interesting scorecard from the 1929 tour of England by the South Africans.
Barnes (56 yrs old) knocked over both the openers, Herbie Taylor (28), and Bruce Mitchell (7);
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I remember reading it in an old wisden mag article. Could be cricketer. Quite possible the game took place at club level. The match in your link seems to be a rep fixture with the best players from the catchment clubs participating.
I found the article. Its on one of my favourites. Walters and Turnbull played for Wales at Llandudno against the MCC. Barnes playing for the latter. He said Barnes couldn't get either of them out but Walters recalled what a great bowler he was. I can't find the match on cricketarchive.
The reference to Barnes not being difficult is down to faulty memory. Walters was referring to Rhodes and on another occasion.
Apologies for resurrecting such an old thread, but it's an interesting discussion. I'm not sure if anyone has read "The Bowlers Art" by Brian Wilkins, but in there he talks quite a bit about SF Barnes in one small chapter, and reproduces what he thinks were Barnes' grips for the off break and leg break. If i had a scanner i would scan the images. It's more or less just as everyone else describes it, and looks identical to the grip you see in images of Barnes, but with the benefit of clearer angles.
There is also this page . The only grip that looks similar to any of Barnes' is the off break and the supposed top spinner. The illustrated leg break doesn't really look practical, but the leg break in Wilkins' book is similar to the off break and looks much more practical.
Wilkins describes the mechanic of swerve, but like some people have suggested what is considered swerve is the same as drift in this day and age. He also goes into detail on Grimmett's flipper variations. Also, it is said that Barnes' off break which drifted to the off before pitching towards leg was taught to him by Monty Noble.
Barnes, "square shouldered as a tailor's model" as Alan Ross put it in his poem, is said to be by men who saw them both to have been around the same speed as Alec Bedser, which suggests he was bowling between 70 and 80mph. These days Swann is reckoned to bowl quickly for a spinner, and his average speed is around 60mph. Barnes's stock delivery was a fast leg break that swerved one way in the air and then span back the other off the pitch. He married this with a fast off break that did the exact reverse, a ball he was taught by the Australian Monty Noble, another early master of spin-swerve bowling. Barnes's particular release meant that the two were difficult to distinguish. He did not unfurl the wrist for his leg break, but rather cocked it backwards and rotated it, as though he was, as Rajan says, "unscrewing a light bulb". If you want a more technical explanation, you can find one in Bob Woolmer's Art and Science of Cricket.
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Basically a faster version of Ajantha Mendis as it sounds. No it cannot be. Anyone who bowls like Mendis is a joke, Barnes is serious quality. There must be something missing in the descriptionHe did not unfurl the wrist for his leg break, but rather cocked it backwards and rotated it, as though he was, as Rajan says, "unscrewing a light bulb".
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