Member of the Sanga fan club. (Ugh! it took me so long to become a real fan of his)
- Barnes bowled with the new ball, Kumble didn't.
- Barnes was one of the best new ball bowlers in the history of the game - not Kumble
- Barnes moved the bal very sharp and very late in to the batsman - Kumble couldn't
- Barnes made the ball move very sharply off the pitch from leg stump to hit the off stump - Kumble's leg breaks turned negligibly if at all.
Not to mention that Barnes bowled with great success both at home and away including against Australia - not Kumble.
They were a bit different
From the looks of it he bowled a lot like skippos who gets drift, dip and turn at ~100kph
Barnes bowled what was never bowled before him and has never been bowled since. Leg breaks that 'swung' (I use the term for that is what people call movement in the air in the modern era) late and very sharp and a helluva lot.
He bowled deliveries that started in a line outside the off stump and then at the last minute 'swung' in sharply to land on the leg stump, then, having squared up the batsman completely, they would move off the pitch in the opposite direction to hit the top of off.
The kind of movement he got in the air is nothing like what is understood from drift. And the movement in the opposite direction is something that has not been bowled with deliberation and control by anyone down the history of the game. Only Bedser managed to bowl a ball like that a few times and he had Bradman, no less, in serious strife.
You have to understand, down the years, a century and more now, no other bowler has been called the greatest bowler of all time by so many world class cricketers as this man. Even those who saw him bowl in his fifties came away with wonder in their eyes and these are not star struck fans, we are talking of world class cricketers.
A better way to put it is that he seems a mixture between Kumble and Warne*. Like the former in terms of speed and (lack of) flight and like the latter in terms of drift and spin.
*Note again - Only talking about bowling type, not quality.
Last edited by shankar; 31-01-2013 at 06:26 AM.
It is more a mixture of O'Reilly/Warne/Bedser minus the googly.
Different from O'reilly because he did not bowl the googly, turned the leg break more and 'swung' the ball in consistently. Similar to O'reilly in the high action, the bowling of leg breaks at pace without the cocked wrist and the accuracy'
Different from Warne in every respect except the big turn he got on his leg break. Of course, tossing it up, Warne got even more lateral movement albeit at lower speed. Barnes lateral movement was considerable and at his pace more than enough.
Different from Bedser in that he did not bowl with the seam up or cutters. Similar to Bedser in that he too 'swung' the ball late in the air and made other deliveries break away on pitching. Sometimes, Bedser was known to combine the two movements a la Barnes.
I was going to just now mention the comparison with Bedser. Bedser bowled a famous delivery at Bradman in Adelaide that swung in late, pitched on leg and broke away to take off. The Don called it the best ball to take his wkt. Well that is the type of ball Barnes bowled almost at will and as described by Altham in one of my posts above. Think Barnes then think Bedser except he was even better than the Surrey great.
I'm also guessing that the side spin swervers like Noble could perhaps be compared in pace, inswing and leg cut to say India's stormy petrel Lala Armanath.
Last edited by the big bambino; 31-01-2013 at 03:54 PM.
So he moved that ball both ways in the very same delivery? That's amazing, have only seen Akram do that and only the once against a lucky Robert Croft.
I've edited my last post to say Bedser's famous delivery swung in to pitch on leg and break away to hit off. (not leg as I previously said). And yes Agent N it is how witnesses to it described Barnes' bowling though I'd also say he was definitely slower than Akram based on those same accounts.
Junaid is also pretty good with the angles he uses, especially when he was bowling around the wicket in Sri Lanka (got a lot of wickets that way).
Last edited by Agent Nationaux; 31-01-2013 at 04:12 PM.
Barnes bowled spin, thought that was agreed on already.
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True Shankar. Barnes bowled it repeatedly and at a medium fast pace.
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