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    Steyn's been regularly bowling at below 140 for ****ing ages though.

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    Still don't get why a bowler's speed is at all relevant as long as they're effective, which Steyn is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyanash11152
    Ftr, why is Hadlee not quite mentioned as often as Lillee and Marshall for the title of best fast bowler?
    Must be because kyear is posting heaps these days. CW generally rates Hadlee above Lillee in various ranking exercices over here.

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    Nothing we already didnt know, but an article which is atleast relevant here.
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    I'd rate Steyn as the modern equivalent of F. S. Trueman minus the choice one liners people who are not rating him as an atg yet have weird views on fast bowling.
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    Do we have a list with all bowlers that have, at some point, topped the fast bowler's rankings?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a few bowlers that are far far worse than Dale Willem Steyn!

    I don't even have a clue which five bowlers were topping the list before him.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    Do we have a list with all bowlers that have, at some point, topped the fast bowler's rankings?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a few bowlers that are far far worse than Dale Willem Steyn!

    I don't even have a clue which five bowlers were topping the list before him.....
    Me neither, but I remember Harmison briefly topping the list in 2004, which must prove something.

    Perhaps the weakest candidates would be circa 1973/74, with Snow past his best, Lillee injured and WI yet to discover Roberts and co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Me neither, but I remember Harmison briefly topping the list in 2004, which must prove something.
    Ahead of Warne, McGrath, Murali & Pollock......, assuming he was topping the bowler's list, including spinners.
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    Ntini was top a a few years ago I seem to remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Me neither, but I remember Harmison briefly topping the list in 2004, which must prove something.

    Perhaps the weakest candidates would be circa 1973/74, with Snow past his best, Lillee injured and WI yet to discover Roberts and co.

    Here we go, with the rankings from February 1974

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    and the number 1 quick was Geoff Arnold. A fine bowler of his type, but obviously not a patch on what was to come. If anyone's interested, he was soon to be overtaken by Max Walker, with Dick Collinge of all people holding down a place in the top 3 quicks for quite a while.

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    Perhaps it's worth pointing out that the best quick in the world at that time was actually Mike Procter, but SA hadn't played any test cricket for four years.
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    Here's another contender

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    Lancashire's Ken Higgs was the number 1 test quick throughout the winter of 1967/68

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Here we go, with the rankings from February 1974

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    and the number 1 quick was Geoff Arnold. A fine bowler of his type, but obviously not a patch on what was to come. If anyone's interested, he was soon to be overtaken by Max Walker, with Dick Collinge of all people holding down a place in the top 3 quicks for quite a while.

    Cracking website btw.

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    Perhaps it's worth pointing out that the best quick in the world at that time was actually Mike Procter, but SA hadn't played any test cricket for four years.
    Vince van der Bijl would have been up there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I was a young fella when Hadlee was playing, but I remember him well. Had the classic quick bowler's action (like Lillee) and had all the fast bowling tricks. One of the best to watch in my time of watching

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Vince van der Bijl would have been up there too.
    Yeah, another fine bowler. I'd never heard of him until he played for Middlesex around 1980, but he was very experienced by then so I suppose he would have been around circa 1973/74.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Here's another contender

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    Lancashire's Ken Higgs was the number 1 test quick throughout the winter of 1967/68
    I think late 60s fast bowling stocks are also completely bottom of the barrel. Likes of hall, trueman all retired and lillee was not to come till 71. Jon Snow might've made his debut some time around that time too.

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