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    That's not a sledge at Donald btw, who was a fine bowler anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Looking forward to two years after his retirement when his 'great' status will come under scrutiny through stats. Probably won't have gotten out enough left handers bowling around the wicket on the 3rd day after lunch with the old ball at Sabina Park to be considered a true great.

    Even if he has a few dire years towards the end of his career he's done enough to be considered a true great imo.
    Definitely.

    I could watch him bowl all day.

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    Very little difference btwn Seyn and Donald. One as good as the other. Bit opportunistic to use this performance to advance a case over Philander though. Just as opportunistic to rate Philly when he took wkts in previous games. Steyn clearly has a head start in that comparison. All we can hope for is Philander goes off the boil. Bcos srsly these 40 scores...hang your heads batsmen. Once is bad enough but 3 times now?


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    Reading this thread now is comedy gold.

    From a longevity point of view, he showed today that he can obilterate lineups at 135kph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    That's not a sledge at Donald btw, who was a fine bowler anyway.
    oh yeah, donald was very good
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    Steyn keeps doing **** I can't believe he's done.. good enough for me.

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    Just a ridiculous bowler. Nothing else to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    Reading this thread now is comedy gold.

    From a longevity point of view, he showed today that he can obilterate lineups at 135kph.

    I haven't seen much of Malcolm Marshall, but from what I have heard, this is where some similarity lies. He's obviously realised that He can't keep terrorising the world over after over, so has developed the ability to take wickets at slower pace, while retaining his speed for short bursts when the team desperately needs a wicket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Today should end the debate about whether Philander is better than Steyn too. Steyn is just so much better to watch and far more deadly when he gets it right because he has the extra pace. Great partnership to have though as they both do it so well.
    LOL There was a debate like that? Philander's career is just 1 year old..even if some time in the distant future Philander becomes extraordinary, as of now, when you have Steyn's body of work comprising of 5-6 years and Philander's body of work comprising of 1 year..I don't understand how someone can possibly make that argument.


    For me Steyn and Donald are at par..I have seen Donald decimate batting line ups like yesterday..both are just ****ing brilliant..two of the greatest fast bowlers I have seen.

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    I would say that Steyn is better than Donald.

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    The only fast bowlers who have taken more wickets at a better average than Steyn are:

    McGrath 563@21.64
    Hadlee 431@22.29
    Ambrose 405@20.99
    Marshall 376@20.94
    Imran Khan 362@22.81
    Donald 330@22.25

    Going by current projections he should surpass Imran & Donald and in the top 5 for all-time best fast bowlers on stats alone. That's discounting the flat pitches, bigger bats, faster run rates argument that has shrouded over most of Steyn's career.

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    And batsman who can't play swing or seam any more like they used to.

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    If Steyn retired right now I'd have him about on par with Donald, maybe fractionally ahead. If he plays for another few years and performs as even just a good bowler then he'll be conclusively ahead of him when he retires IMO and the overwhelming likelihood is that he'll do much more than that anyway. I think he has a big chance to threaten McGrath as the best fast bowler I've seen in my cricket-following life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irfan View Post
    The only fast bowlers who have taken more wickets at a better average than Steyn are:

    McGrath 563@21.64
    Hadlee 431@22.29
    Ambrose 405@20.99
    Marshall 376@20.94
    Imran Khan 362@22.81
    Donald 330@22.25

    Going by current projections he should surpass Imran & Donald and in the top 5 for all-time best fast bowlers on stats alone. That's discounting the flat pitches, bigger bats, faster run rates argument that has shrouded over most of Steyn's career.
    Lack of Trueman there. I know Steyn has gone past him but he belongs in that group.

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