View Poll Results: Who is Australia's second best Test cricketer ever?

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  • Warwick Armstrong

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  • Richie Benaud

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  • Allan Border

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  • Greg Chappell

    1 1.64%
  • Alan Davidson

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  • Adam Gilchrist

    4 6.56%
  • Clarrie Grimmet

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  • Archie Jackson

    2 3.28%
  • Dennis Lillee

    1 1.64%
  • Ray Lindwall

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  • Glenn McGrath

    12 19.67%
  • Keith Miller

    16 26.23%
  • Monty Noble

    0 0%
  • Bill O'Reilly

    1 1.64%
  • Ricky Ponting

    1 1.64%
  • Victor Trumper

    1 1.64%
  • Doug Walters

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  • Shane Warne

    22 36.07%
  • Steve Waugh

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    Warne isn't even Australia's best bowler ever. Mind boggling that he's leading. Heck he might not even be the best leg-spinner Australia's ever had.
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    With fear of being called a heretic, I'd almost go as far to say that Miller would be more valuable than Bradman in the context of most teams.

    Obviously Bradman's achievements are more impressive in not only their difficulty but in the fact that no-one came close to matching them. He was completely unparalleled in his art and he has rightfully been crowned the greatest ever cricketer based on this. However, in terms of shere value to a team, I'd probably rather have someone who was a world class batsman and an all-time great bowler than someone who is going to score absolutely freakish amounts of runs.

    Hence, I'm pretty surprised that Miller isn't winning this poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Warne isn't even Australia's best bowler ever. Mind boggling that he's leading. Heck he might not even be the best leg-spinner Australia's ever had.
    Not really mind boggling. Australia has gone from a dominant number one to arguably the third best in the world and the biggest difference in the team is a lack of a quality spinner. People tend to miss him more than anyone else of the retirees from the past couple of years, even though IMO McGrath was more valuable to the team.

    But yeah there's no way Miller shouldn't be winning this poll.


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    Miller, marginally ahead of Warne for mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Warne isn't even Australia's best bowler ever. Mind boggling that he's leading. Heck he might not even be the best leg-spinner Australia's ever had.
    Sorry, who's their best bowler ever then?

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    Noting that the poll asked for 'best' rather than 'greatest' or 'most valuable' I went for McGrath just over Miller and Warne. If it had been the other questions, it would have been a toss up tween warne, miller and Lillee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Noting that the poll asked for 'best' rather than 'greatest' or 'most valuable' I went for McGrath just over Miller and Warne. If it had been the other questions, it would have been a toss up tween warne, miller and Lillee.
    Strange interpretation that, "2nd best" or "2nd Greatest" essentially mean the same thing to me

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    Very interesting to see no votes for Steve Waugh and ONLY 1 FOR LILLEE!!!! Incredible. And Greg Chappell was good, but not Australia 2nd best ever. Not by a long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Something_Fishy View Post
    Very interesting to see no votes for Steve Waugh and ONLY 1 FOR LILLEE!!!! Incredible. And Greg Chappell was good, but not Australia 2nd best ever. Not by a long shot.
    Steve Waugh, while a champion, was outclassed by Border, Hayden, Chappell G, Ponting and probably Harvey too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Warne isn't even Australia's best bowler ever. Mind boggling that he's leading. Heck he might not even be the best leg-spinner Australia's ever had.
    Warne's considered Australia's greatest bowler, in my experience, with most people. Lillee's there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It'd have to be third-best for England. Grace and Hobbs are the top two for pretty well anyone who knows their stuff. The third, well, it's one hell of a question. I think there's so little clear-cut-ness that it'd be almost pointless. Hammond? Sutcliffe? Hutton? It'd just have to be one of the great batsmen of the '30s and '50s - there's never been an English seam-bowler of the absolute highest rank except maybe Fred Trueman and even he has the not-that-much-outside-England question that drags down all the best English seamers. And clearly a fingerspinner, even one of the calibre of Rhodes or Verity, would not be worthy as the worth of fingerspinners has declined with the covering of wickets in a way no other type of player has come remotely close to mirroring the decline of.
    Worth a poll/battle I reckon - though I'm not convinced that Grace would win it. I reckon a lot of CWers would find the era he played in to be an immovable obstacle to considering him England's greatest ever.

    As for Grace and Hobbs being unquestionably the top two - well if you as John Woodcock he's got Alfred Mynn sandwiched in between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Worth a poll/battle I reckon - though I'm not convinced that Grace would win it. I reckon a lot of CWers would find the era he played in to be an immovable obstacle to considering him England's greatest ever.

    As for Grace and Hobbs being unquestionably the top two - well if you as John Woodcock he's got Alfred Mynn sandwiched in between them.
    We had a battle of the Englishmen. Hobbs beat Barnes 12-6 in the final, Ranji and Grace lost the semis.
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