By the way, if we pick McGrath then we should play at Lords.
YouTube - Ashes 2005 | 1st Test (Lords) Day 1, 3rd Session Highlights
Just watched it again. What a venemous spell of bowling.
There is so little between Hadlee and Miller that it really is hard to judge who would win more games for their team. However, my belief is that the strongest skill of a player is their most important and the secondary skill tends to win less games. Miller was a better bat than Hadlee, but Hadlee was a better bowler and carried his team far more than Miller ever did. Which is what tips the balance for me.
was trying to stay off this topic becuase the all-rounders poll might inspire the same arguments. just one quick note though. miller was a much better bat than hadlee than hadlee was as bowler.
miller as batsman - hadlee as batsman >> hadlee as bowler - miller as bowler
As I never really saw either player too much (too young) I can only really analyse statistics, and while Millers initially appear really good, a low WPM pretty much means that either a) he was in a team full of good bowlers or b) he didn't bowl as much as he should have.
Lindwall was also in his team and was a better bowler and I'd have to say that Hadlee as a bowler was probably at least Lindwall's equivalent with the ball (probably better in fact). I'm not certain that Miller's batting difference over Hadlee makes up for the difference in bowling, though it would be close either way.
All I really know is that any captain would squeal with extasy if he had to make the difficult decision to choose which of those two he'd like in his team.
Should we not save this discussion of Imran and Botham for another poll?
You're absolutely right that he didn't do as much bowling as he might have, and this was due to the back injury he suffered when he crash landed his Mosquito during WWII. While he played 55 Tests, he didn't do what most people would consider 55 Tests worth of bowling. Hence the relatively ordinary wpm ratio.
I'd say it's the difference between:
A good batsmen vs someone who can hold the bat if need be; and
A great bowler (probably outside the all-time greats vs an all-time great.
I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh
[Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran
[Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath
In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham
Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever.
And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara
True - his career was brilliant enough for us to sometimes overlook the fact that, due to the war, Miller played a grand total of one Test before his 27th birthday. And even that wasn't actually recognised as an official Test match until two years later!
Anyway, I'll stop making this thread into a Miller tribute now.
- Divide runs scored by number of times dismissed.
- Where a batsman happens to bat for 5 minutes and makes 2 not out, do not treat it as effectively 2-and-out, because that would quite obviously produce an unfairly distorted batting average.
Subtract bowling average from batting average.
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