***Official*** Australia in South Africa

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Julian87

Come on. Gilchrist batted 7 for the entirity of his career because of such a dominant and rarely changed, besides retirement, middle order.

Yes. But that was mainly due to the strenght of the top 6 during his time wasn't it?. He was incapable of batting in the top 7.

If he was playing right now in his peak form of (PAK 99 - NZ 2005). He would surely bat @ 6 with Watson @ 7.

Originally Posted by Julian87

Stewart was a backstop.

Hell no. Stewart wasn't in the same breath as a Healy, Knott. But he very solid every time he had the gloves for England.

Originally Posted by Julian87

and Sangakarra has become solely a batsman in test cricket because of his workload.

Yes & how does this devalue my initial point?

Originally Posted by Julian87

You then lump Haddin in with blokes who, to me, are recognised as great keepers, not all so much keeper/batsmen.

I wasn't refering to their respective glovework.

The group of keepers that i linked Haddin with, are players that are good batsmen who don't have the complete repotoire as batsmen to bat above # 7.

Originally Posted by Julian87

Haddin is definitely the latter, I am not saying he is Gilchrist or Sangakarra and he hasn't been brillient in tests thus far (but really, if he was 6 years younger, he'd be hailed as the next best thing just on test performances thus far).

Thats a hypothetical theory of great wishful thinking. 6 years ago in 2003 Haddin's batting was nowhere near the ability it has been since around 2005/2006 i'd say.

6 years, Jimmy Maher was the back-up ODI keeper & Wade Seccombe the preffered test option.

Originally Posted by Julian87

I don't think you can use Haddin's test career as a marker as yet as it is in its true infancy. But if you knew ANYTHING about shield cricket, you'd realise your bolded statement is an absolute crock of ****.

LOL, wtf. Is this some kind of punching bag argument you guys are going to use againts me now..

[GingerFurball]

Originally Posted by inbox24

Hauritz is going as media manager because he's good at talking straight, he doesn't put a spin on things.

Deserves a

[Alysum]

VERY Good move by the selectors to pick Hughes instead of Jaques. However I still don't think AUS should go to SA; they will be murderer by Ntini, Steyn & co on those fast wickets...

I think the selectors should have picked Bracken too as we need the best bowlers at the moment and he's #1 ODI bowler. What's wrong? He can do short spells like Lee!

[Matt79]

Originally Posted by Alysum

VERY Good move by the selectors to pick Hughes instead of Jaques. However I still don't think AUS should go to SA; they will be murderer by Ntini, Steyn & co on those fast wickets...

I think the selectors should have picked Bracken too as we need the best bowlers at the moment and he's #1 ODI bowler. What's wrong? He can do short spells like Lee!

Yeah, let's just not go - when they come looking for us, we'll turn off the lights and hide behind the couch...

[Precambrian]

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by oldmancraigy

New Zealand batsmen in first class cricket:

Tim McIntosh: 4257 runs avg 35.18
Jamie How: 4159 runs avg 33.27
Daniel Flynn: 1816 runs avg 33.62
Ross Taylor; 3374 runs, avg 36.67
Jesse Ryder: 2909 runs, avg 42.77
Brendan McCullum: 4325 runs, avg 33.26

Andrew McDonald 2067 runs, avg 37.58

Oh he's good enough for you - good enough to get picked as one of your top 6 batsman with ease - even if he doesn't bowl.

Bull****. Different country, different conditions.
We have Oram, and Oram>McDonald, hence we don't need him.

He's not good enough to make it as a batsman or a bowler alone, and we don't need another allrounder as we already have Vettori and Oram.

He doesn't fit in the side!

I'm sick of people saying **** like "he will fit into the NZ side easy".
It can never happen, so why speculate and rubbish another countries side?

****en stupid, get over yourselves.

[Precambrian]

Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA

Bull****. Different country, different conditions.
We have Oram, and Oram>McDonald, hence we don't need him.

He's not good enough to make it as a batsman or a bowler alone, and we don't need another allrounder as we already have Vettori and Oram.

He doesn't fit in the side!

I'm sick of people saying **** like "he will fit into the NZ side easy".
It can never happen, so why speculate and rubbish another countries side?

****en stupid, get over yourselves.

Elliot and Broom will walk into an Aussie ODI side now.

[Matt79]

Vettori sure would.

[pup11]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Vettori sure would.

Jeetan Patel too has a chance.

[Precambrian]

So would McCullum, Taylor, O Brien, Mills and perhaps Southee...

[stephen]

Originally Posted by Precambrian

Elliot and Broom will walk into an Aussie ODI side now.

Originally Posted by Matt79

Vettori sure would.

Originally Posted by pup11

Jeetan Patel too has a chance.

Originally Posted by Precambrian

So would McCullum, Taylor, O Brien, Mills and perhaps Southee...

I hate you all.

[Matt79]

Precam's just baiting. Jeets is a cult favourite with the Kiwis around here. I stand by my comment: Vettori is the only Kiwi who would make a definite and pronounced improvement to our side.

[stephen]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Precam's just baiting. Jeets is a cult favourite with the Kiwis around here. I stand by my comment: Vettori is the only Kiwi who would make a definite and pronounced improvement to our side.

Yeah I'm only kidding around. I don't really hate them. Much.

[Precambrian]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Precam's just baiting. Jeets is a cult favourite with the Kiwis around here. I stand by my comment: Vettori is the only Kiwi who would make a definite and pronounced improvement to our side.

Am just telling the truth as it is.

[pup11]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Precam's just baiting. Jeets is a cult favourite with the Kiwis around here. I stand by my comment: Vettori is the only Kiwi who would make a definite and pronounced improvement to our side.

Vettori would walk into most teams tbh, and as i said Patel too has a chance of wakling into the Australian side, just shows where Australia stand with their spin stocks atm, any half-decent spinner from around the world has an outside chance to break into the Australian side, as evident from the fact that guys like Dan Cullen, Nathan Hauritz, Beau Casson, Jason Krejza, Cam White (the bowler) all already have the baggy green.