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    The Future of English Cricket (God help us...)

    Assume that the Lions are effectively the reserve squad for the England team - now rate the chances of the various squad members playing Test cricket and (separately) ODI cricket in the next year in the absence of injuries. And try not to get too depressed.........

    Robert Key - is about the only opener in the country (if you don't count MPV) with any Test experience if, say, Strauss got injured. No chance for ODIs.

    Gareth Batty - old hand / vice captain type. No chance for either.

    Ravi Bopara - must be in the running for a Test place ahead of Shah in English conditions. In the ODI squad.

    Mark Davies
    - I just haven't seen enough of him to comment.

    Steven Davies - has all the attributes, but Prior is pretty set for the Tests and the selectors ought to stick with him at least until after the Ashes. In ODI squad, and will be interesting to see if he is picked in the WI.

    Tim Ambrose - needs to develop a lot more variety in his batting to push for a Test recall. Should never have been in the ODI team in the first place.

    Joe Denly - promising young opener, would be great to see him make a case for Test inclusion since we need competition / back-up in that area, but he hasn't done that yet. The ODI opening partnership is a moveable feast, so he must fancy his chances there in the long run.

    Amjad Khan - the latest in a line of bowlers to be dubbed a "reverse swing specialist" - if he is, he has an outside chance of coming in as an X-factor bowler if Harmy and/or Anderson continue their drops in form; but realistically needs another season in county cricket. X-factor bowlers need not apply in ODIs.

    Sajid Mahmood - had a really promising 2008 season (particularly the first half), and was pushing for a place in the squad, but his whinging about omission didn't do him any favours. Should never have been in the ODI side, and I still feel slightly sorry for him given how badly he was mismanaged.

    Stephen Moore - had a superb season in 2008, but it was the high point in a fairly mediocre career. Needs to show it was the start of something and not the peak, and is a long way away from selection in either form.

    Eoin Morgan
    - potentially explosive top order ODI batsman, and not afraid of being inventive and unconventional - definitely one to watch, and I wouldn't have minded seeing him in the squad for WI. Nowhere near the Test side.

    Samit Patel - in the ODI side, and now we need to know whether his combative batting could stand a chance at Test level. If so, as a good bat with solid part-time off-spin, he should be lining himself up for a fight over Colly's place as and when that comes available.

    Liam Plunkett - still in the "potential" bracket, and was injured too much last season to establish a bowling action that he is really comfortable with. Has been a prospect for a while, and suffered like Mahmood from the Icarus effect of being elevated too far too soon.

    Jonathan Trott
    - didn't have the 2008 some were hoping for after being selected for the ODI side at the back of the 2007 season. Again, though, openers are worth persisting with because the cupboard is pretty bare behind Strauss and Cook in Tests, and already empty in ODIs.

    Luke Wright
    - his big hitting has never looked like coming off consistently against higher quality bowling. Worth keeping an eye on - not least because he clearly has the right temperament - but won't be in the ODI reckoning for a while (and has never been in the Test reckoning).

    Anyone else from the county circuit who you feel should be included? Myself, I like Darren Pattinson...oh, wait...

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    Chris Tremlett. He had a very poor season for Hampshire last year but in my opinion is far better than any other English pace bowler outside the current test squad, with the exception of Hoggard who has been very unfairly discarded.

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    Mark Davies, if he can stay fit. Crazy FC record and coming off the back of a fantastic season.

    Also in the longer term, Liam Dawson's extremely promising IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Mark Davies, if he can stay fit. Crazy FC record and coming off the back of a fantastic season.
    Tell me more about Mark Davies as a player...? I'm just curious.


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    I have seen him bowl briefly in an OD match and he bowled at 78-80mph, relying on seam movement rather than swing or bounce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinissimo View Post
    Tell me more about Mark Davies as a player...? I'm just curious.
    I've never seen him play, so someone else could help you out more i suspect. He's 28, a fast bowler, and largely responsible for Durham winning the county championship last season. In actual fact he's been tearing up FC sides for pretty much his whole career but has had consistent injury problems. He's also generally considered to be a tad slow for the next level.

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    Don't be so sceptical Penguinissimo, there are a few promising bowlers who you have omitted.

    Kabir Ali is still a prospect, despite being ignored by England selectors, after an astonishing 2008 season where he consistently outbowled an inform Simon Jones. Moreover, Graham Napier is a superb all round talent and is already making some noise in New Zealand FC and OD cricket, mainly with the ball but I do recall that he smashed a quick fifty in an OD game. The great shame is that these two talents have been ignored by the selectors even for the England Lions squad. Of course, the main issue is with persevering with absolute rubbish like Plunkett and Mahmood.

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    Napier shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad, no sir

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    Surely there is a case for him being in the ODI squad, he bowls at 90+mph and swings it and is obviously useful with the bat if a big total is required and as Manee said, he has been doing well in NZ with the ball at all levels of cricket.

    Although I am an Essex man so there could be some biased there

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Napier shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad, no sir
    At the moment, I'd be inclined to agree, but I think him somewhat a Test prospect and certainly a very large OD and T20 prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigga988 View Post
    Surely there is a case for him being in the ODI squad, he bowls at 90+mph and swings it and is obviously useful with the bat if a big total is required and as Manee said, he has been doing well in NZ with the ball at all levels of cricket.
    Best change that location for the semblance of neutrality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Best change that location for the semblance of neutrality
    shhhhh maybe no one noticed

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    James Tomlinson, too, should certainly be in the squad these days. Quality bowler.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Don't be so sceptical Penguinissimo, there are a few promising bowlers who you have omitted.

    Kabir Ali is still a prospect, despite being ignored by England selectors, after an astonishing 2008 season where he consistently outbowled an inform Simon Jones. Moreover, Graham Napier is a superb all round talent and is already making some noise in New Zealand FC and OD cricket, mainly with the ball but I do recall that he smashed a quick fifty in an OD game. The great shame is that these two talents have been ignored by the selectors even for the England Lions squad. Of course, the main issue is with persevering with absolute rubbish like Plunkett and Mahmood.
    Always thought Kabir deserves a place in the ODI set up and definitely is better than Amjad Kahn who is currently in lions squad, the man has consistently performed on a regular basis and was a revelation in the last FC season. Dont know why England ignore him.

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    Wouldn't like his only go to be in the ODI setup though as FC/Test cricket is clearly his strength.

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