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    Indo-Aussie squad 2008

    Here is an excercise for all you cricket lists buffs.

    Select a touring squad of sixteen from the players who played in this Test series for both India and Australia. Then out of the sixteen choose a twelve for the playing squad (the twelfth man to depend on conditions)

    You have to justify at least the more contentious selections (or all of them if you widh). Stats can be used to support the argument but as someone I read recently said, stats are good to support an argument but never a proof of anything by themselves

    Here are the series stats

    Batting :-

    Code:
    Player                	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
    G Gambhir (India)	3	6	0	463	206	77.16	907	51.04	2	1	0	54	2
    SR Tendulkar (India)	4	8	1	396	109	56.57	756	52.38	1	2	0	46	0
    MEK Hussey (Aus)	4	7	0	394	146	56.28	876	44.97	1	3	0	42	1
    VVS Laxman (India)	4	7	3	381	200*	95.25	779	48.90	1	2	1	40	0
    V Sehwag (India)	4	8	0	351	92	43.87	426	82.39	0	3	0	43	2
    SM Katich (Aus)        	4	8	1	349	102	49.85	720	48.47	1	2	0	44	0
    SC Ganguly (India)	4	8	2	324	102	54.00	660	49.09	1	1	1	27	2
    MS Dhoni (India)	4	6	1	307	92	61.40	466	65.87	0	4	0	23	6
    RT Ponting (Aus)	4	7	0	266	123	38.00	523	50.86	1	1	0	35	0
    MJ Clarke (Aus)	        4	7	0	251	112	35.85	576	43.57	1	1	0	25	1
    ML Hayden (Aus)       	4	8	1	234	83	33.42	368	63.58	0	2	2	33	2
    SR Watson (Aus)       	4	7	0	170	78	24.28	382	44.50	0	1	0	24	1
    BJ Haddin (Aus) 	4	7	1	163	37	27.16	430	37.90	0	0	0	18	1
    CL White (Aus)  	4	7	2	146	46	29.20	330	44.24	0	0	0	15	1
    Harbhajan Singh (India)	3	4	1	125	54	41.66	237	52.74	0	2	0	14	0
    R Dravid (India)	4	7	0	120	51	17.14	274	43.79	0	1	1	18	0
    Z Khan (India)    	4	5	2	94	57*	31.33	179	52.51	0	1	0	13	0
    M Vijay (India)   	1	2	0	74	41	37.00	134	55.22	0	0	0	7	0
    B Lee (Aus)       	4	6	1	71	35	14.20	212	33.49	0	0	2	10	0
    MG Johnson (Aus)	4	6	1	67	26	13.40	133	50.37	0	0	0	7	1
    A Kumble (India)	2	2	0	50	45	25.00	106	47.16	0	0	0	7	0
    I Sharma (India)	4	5	1	17	9	4.25	82	20.73	0	0	1	2	0
    JJ Krejza (Aus)  	1	2	0	9	5	4.50	38	23.68	0	0	0	0	0
    A Mishra (India)	3	3	1	7	7	3.50	9	77.77	0	0	1	1	0
    SR Clark (Aus)   	2	2	2	1	1*	-	3	33.33	0	0	0	0	0
    PM Siddle (Aus)	        1	2	1	0	0*	0.00	12	0.00	0	0	1	0	0
    Bowling :-

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    Player                 	Mat	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
    I Sharma (India)	4	138.0	31	406	15	4/77	7/117	27.06	2.94	55.2	0	0
    Harbhajan Singh (India)	3	172.2	34	433	15	4/64	7/158	28.86	2.51	68.9	0	0
    A Mishra (India)	3	122.0	29	337	14	5/71	7/106	24.07	2.76	52.2	1	0
    MG Johnson (Aus)	4	166.0	30	521	13	4/70	5/93	40.07	3.13	76.6	0	0
    JJ Krejza (Aus)  	1	74.5	4	358	12	8/215	12/358	29.83	4.78	37.4	1	1
    Z Khan (India)    	4	145.5	31	475	11	5/91	6/137	43.18	3.25	79.5	1	0
    SR Watson (Aus)       	4	115.4	20	321	10	4/42	5/84	32.10	2.77	69.4	0	0
    B Lee (Aus)       	4	148.0	24	493	8	2/48	3/167	61.62	3.33	111.0	0	0
    V Sehwag (India)	4	82.0	14	217	5	5/104	5/118	43.40	2.64	98.4	1	0
    CL White (Aus)  	4	93.0	8	342	5	2/71	3/119	68.40	3.67	111.6	0	0
    PM Siddle (Aus)	        1	43.0	6	176	4	3/114	4/176	44.00	4.09	64.5	0	0
    A Kumble (India)	2	98.3	15	286	3	3/112	3/126	95.33	2.90	197.0	0	0
    SR Clark (Aus)   	2	73.0	24	161	2	1/12	1/70	80.50	2.20	219.0	0	0
    MJ Clarke (Aus) 	4	85.3	18	256	2	2/38	2/78	128.00	2.99	256.5	0	0
    SM Katich (Aus)        	4	19.0	3	73	1	1/60	1/65	73.00	3.84	114.0	0	0
    RT Ponting (Aus)	4	2.0	0	11	0	-	-	-	5.50	-	0	0
    SR Tendulkar (India)	4	3.0	0	15	0	-	-	-	5.00	-	0	0
    MEK Hussey (Aus)	4	12.0	2	41	0	-	-	-	3.41	-	0	0

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    Where are we touring? India?
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    Sanga has done well but Murali has done better. In my opinion, Murali is simply the best off spinner in history of cricket and I can't make that kind of statement for Sanga.
    Sanga isn't the best off spinner in the history of cricket? News to me.

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    You need to have at least three opening batsmen, at least two spinners, ONLY one wicket keeper (who could be a keeper), at least one all rounder and have to nominate a captain and a vice captain and a manager for the side. The manager, needless to say has to be from the two managers on this tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Where are we touring? India?
    We need a side ready for all conditions. If you want to be more specific you could assume one of the Test wickets (it is a Test squad) would be a pace bowlers delight, another a spinners delight, one a batsman's paradise and two other good balanced tracks that have something for everyone


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    1. Katich
    2. Gambhir
    3. Hussey
    4. Tendulkar
    5. Laxman
    6. Watson
    7. Dhoni
    8. Harbhajan
    9. Mishra
    10. Ishant
    11. Zaheer


    Justification: I'd like to see the side.
    We need 12 + 4 plus a manager.

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    Yea, I misred the initial post. I'll do it in a bit after some thought. Especially if this is an overall side for outside the subcontinent too, then players like Ponting, Lee, Clark would be in there no doubt.
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    My Squad

    Openers
    G Gambhir (India) - Topscorer
    V Sehwag (India) (Effect with bat + Handy offspin)
    S Katich (Aus) (Reserve opener)

    Middle Order
    M Hussey (Aus) - Obvious
    S Tendulkar (Ind) - Obvious
    S Ganguly (Ind) - Obvious
    V Laxman (Ind) - Obvious

    Keeper
    M Dhoni (Ind)

    Allrounder
    S Watson (Aus) (Sheer effort)

    Bowlers
    Fast
    I Sharma (obvious)
    Z Khan (stats hardly speak the effect he had)
    M Johnson (Reserve)

    Spin
    H Singh
    A Mishra
    J Krejza

    Only 15 make it. :-(

    Maybe M Vijay as specialist 12th man. So 16.

    Playing Eleven

    G Gambhir
    V Sehwag
    M Hussey
    S Tendulkar
    V Laxman
    M Dhoni (wk) (c)
    S Watson
    H Singh
    Z Khan
    A Mishra/Johnson (Depending on wicket)
    I Sharma

    12th man - M Vijay

    Edit : Posted before I read conditions: Though I matched with them.
    Manager/Coach : Gary Kirsten/Indian manager.
    Last edited by Precambrian; 10-11-2008 at 08:51 PM.

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    How does Vijay get 12th man?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Precambrian View Post
    My Squad

    Openers
    G Gambhir (India) - Topscorer
    V Sehwag (India) (Effect with bat + Handy offspin)
    S Katich (Aus) (Reserve opener)

    Middle Order
    M Hussey (Aus) - Obvious
    S Tendulkar (Ind) - Obvious
    S Ganguly (Ind) - Obvious
    V Laxman (Ind) - Obvious

    Keeper
    M Dhoni (Ind)

    Allrounder
    S Watson (Aus) (Sheer effort)

    Bowlers
    Fast
    I Sharma (obvious)
    Z Khan (stats hardly speak the effect he had)
    M Johnson (Reserve)

    Spin
    H Singh
    A Mishra
    J Krejza

    Only 15 make it. :-(

    Maybe M Vijay as specialist 12th man. So 16.

    Playing Eleven

    G Gambhir
    V Sehwag
    M Hussey
    S Tendulkar
    V Laxman
    M Dhoni (wk) (c)
    S Watson
    H Singh
    Z Khan
    A Mishra
    I Sharma

    12th man - M Vijay

    Edit : Posted before I read conditions: Though I matched with them.
    Manager/Coach : Gary Kirsten/Indian manager.
    You've based that completely on the recent series, yeah?

    I think the idea is to select the team as if it was just about to go and tour somewhere, based on each player's overall strengths, weaknesses and career record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You've based that completely on the recent series, yeah?

    I think the idea is to select the team as if it was just about to go and tour somewhere, based on each player's overall strengths, weaknesses and career record.
    Thats correct. We need a side to play in 2008-09. So current for is important but the relative scores in this four Test series are only one indicator of current form and not always an infallible one.

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    One modification. Since there aren't too many choices for an all rounder and I dont want to make anyone an automatic selection we are removing the need to have an allrounder. Or better still, the wicketkeeper could be used to fill the one all rounder position. This way people dont HAVE to chose both Dhoni and Watson.

    PS Actually they could even chose Harbhajan and Haddin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You've based that completely on the recent series, yeah?

    I think the idea is to select the team as if it was just about to go and tour somewhere, based on each player's overall strengths, weaknesses and career record.
    Oh, ok. However, still my team looks solid enough I hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polo23 View Post
    How does Vijay get 12th man?!
    Why not? He's the youngest after Ishant, and he's not bad close-in fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    You need to have at least three opening batsmen, at least two spinners, ONLY one wicket keeper (who could be a keeper), at least one all rounder and have to nominate a captain and a vice captain and a manager for the side. The manager, needless to say has to be from the two managers on this tour.
    Can we have two wicket keepers in the squad and only one in the eleven? 16 is a pretty large squad size - I'd be taking a backup keeper if I took that number on tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Precambrian View Post



    Why not? He's the youngest after Ishant, and he's not bad close-in fielder.
    There is no 12th man in this case in the conventional sense where the final 11 is fixed and the best fielder (or the man best suited to serve drinks) is the 12th man.

    Here the FINAL SQUAD is required to be of 12 people instead of 11 so that all conditions can be covered.

    For example, you may have five bowlers in the 12 and play all five and have a middle order batsman (or the al rounder) as 12th man OR play four bowlers with the fifth being 12th man.

    Similarly, you could have two spinners and three pacers even when you are planning to play only four bowlers and make either a spinner or a pacer be 12th man depending on conditions.

    Fielding is not the criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Can we have two wicket keepers in the squad and only one in the eleven? 16 is a pretty large squad size - I'd be taking a backup keeper if I took that number on tour.
    Well, I thought of tyhat but one thing I want is for people to excercise a choice. Since we are chosing only from those who played on this tour, we would have both Dhoni and Haddin as automatic selections. I dont want that. Thats why I modified the all rounder bit so that Watson does not get automatic selection even if someone doesn't want him in his squad.

    If we were chosing from all Australian and all Indian players currently playing, I would have said two keepers which is correct.

    We can, of course reduce the squad size to fifteen if everyone agrees.

    Opinion please !!

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