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    When I Was Wrong!

    If you were a commentator or cricket writer, when would you have had egg on your face, I would have had an omlette on mine in 1992-93 after watching Keith Arthurton and Brian Lara in the first Test in Brisbane I declared that Arthurton was the better batsman and would go on to have the better Test career. This despite Ian Chappell and Richie Benaud declaring that Lara would be an all time great


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    I got it wrong when suggesting that India should not have taken Ishant Sharma to Australia, soon after the Test squad was announced.
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    I try not to make my mind up too quickly about "new" players. I also tend to pretty well never say "so-and-so will never make a Test\ODI\First-Class\whatever-standard player" as that's just asking for trouble (though I do occasionally say I find it pretty unlikely).

    Of course there are times when a poor-quality player gets better, which is a bit different.
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    I suspect you were on your own there Arch.

    John Crawley is one I got wrong, he looked destined for a long and distinquised Test career from very early on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    I suspect you were on your own there Arch.

    John Crawley is one I got wrong, he looked destined for a long and distinquised Test career from very early on.
    Ha ha, don't rub it in!

    I also thought Crawley looked the goods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    I got it wrong when suggesting that India should not have taken Ishant Sharma to Australia, soon after the Test squad was announced.
    Yes, but to be fair to you, he has improved a lot since that tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I try not to make my mind up too quickly about "new" players. I also tend to pretty well never say "so-and-so will never make a Test\ODI\First-Class\whatever-standard player" as that's just asking for trouble (though I do occasionally say I find it pretty unlikely).

    Of course there are times when a poor-quality player gets better, which is a bit different.
    Not even Hayden?

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    Andrew Symonds as a Test cricketer.

    I'm still yet to be convinced he's as good as his Test average suggests or even that bringing him back into the team would reap further rewards, but he's already achieved a lot more than I thought he could both with the bat and his off breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Not even Hayden?
    No no, not at all. I watched Hayden for a good 3 years (1999-2001/02) before I made my mind up fully about him - he was poor against quality seam and outstanding against spin and poor-quality seam. An impression which remains virtually unaltered 7 years later. Though it's fair to say he did play better than he ever has in one series in 2007/08. This is something I'll credit him for but which won't alter my overall impression of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Andrew Symonds as a Test cricketer.

    I'm still yet to be convinced he's as good as his Test average suggests or even that bringing him back into the team would reap further rewards, but he's already achieved a lot more than I thought he could both with the bat and his off breaks.
    I have two $50 dollar bets that Symonds would finish with a Test average over 40 (I made the bet after his first two Tests), feeling pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    John Crawley is one I got wrong, he looked destined for a long and distinquised Test career from very early on.
    I thought the same with Crawley.

    Also I didnt think Cork was Test standard (lacked that extra yard and was always in the A team).

    Not that he was a World beater, but he did better than I thought he would.

    I guess my big one (though I was very young) was that I thought Blakey would break all England batsman/keeper records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Yes, but to be fair to you, he has improved a lot since that tour
    That is true. However, it is my deficiency to not spot the talent of height, likely due to my infinite rating of Munaf Patel and the fact that I, myself, have been preferred to taller bowlers many times so far in my 'career'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    I thought the same with Crawley.

    Also I didnt think Cork was Test standard (lacked that extra yard and was always in the A team).

    Not that he was a World beater, but he did better than I thought he would.

    I guess my big one (though I was very young) was that I thought Blakey would break all England batsman/keeper records.
    Never played against Aust? I don't think I know him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Andrew Symonds as a Test cricketer.

    I'm still yet to be convinced he's as good as his Test average suggests or even that bringing him back into the team would reap further rewards, but he's already achieved a lot more than I thought he could both with the bat and his off breaks.
    Yeah, me similarly. Suspect we aren't alone either.

    Sure I made disparaging remarks about Collingwood's potential as a test batsman before our 05/06 tour to Pakistan. Something like "test batsmen need to do more than score gutsy 10s".

    Thought Vaughan would be our best batsman since Gooch too, but he's tailed off quite badly post- captaincy & injuries.
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