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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Okay. Here is a new one. Kapil Dev versus Dennis Lillee - better Pace bowler ?

    Let the debate begin.
    Or, who is the better middle-order batsman? - Mohammad Yousuf or Brian Lara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    LOL, what? If this is about being better, I already said I think Gavaskar is better. But to say they are not comparable is tripe. I've already made my point in several threads, even gone as far as putting Hayden in my all-time XI, so I'll try not to rehash.



    And Hayden isn't?



    Actually, it isn't. And if I wanted to play the game of "weak" attacks that goes just as much for Gavaskar as it does to Hayden. Gavaskar has been ordinary at home, even with those tracks.

    Hayden is criminally underrated here. To the point that someone like Richard can say Nasser Hussain is better and SJS can compare Dev with Hayden.

    Gavaskar is an all-time great, but to say he is not comparable is stupid. By the same account he isn't comparable to Hobbs, Sutcliffe or Hutton and is "merely" an Indian great. For the same reasons Hayden is denied, Sunil himself can just as easily be denied compared to the English openers.

    Anyway, I've had my rant and I know the same people will think the same things without even questioning themselves. If Hayden gets his away average to about 47-50, he's done enough to equate Sunil IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbacks View Post
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    If you had read any of the 1000 posts I have made about Lillee you would know I was joking

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    Why does evey post hide behind calling bastmen's records aided by flat wickets, then maybe we people should start adjusting bowlers stats to account for when the conditions favoured them. Murali hasn't been overly effective in Australia, so he isn't that good a bowler
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    If you had read any of the 1000 posts I have made about Lillee you would know I was joking
    good to hear


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    Gavaskar was the perfect opener. Almost flawless technique and could play attacking or defensive innings as the situation warranted (Lords 1975 apart). Hayden has a dreadful technique similar to K9 chasing a greyhound bunny but it's hard to argue with the quantity of runs he scores.

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    Hmm, if Hayden = Gavaskar, then Sehwag is closing in on Gavaskar.

    That thought made me throw up a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    ...but to say Hayden was average - because that's what Dev was as a pacer...
    Wait, wait, wait...What? Kapil Dev was an average bowler? Well, yes, his bowling is in no way comparable to Lillee's but that's a different question altogether...But, Kapil Dev was an average bowler! Then what was Sir Gary Sobers? I sincerely hope you won't say poor...

    And you completely misunderstood SJS's point...He never meant Hayden is average...He meant Hayden is a very good opener, as good as Kapil as a pace bowler perhaps...But Lillee and Gavaskar are in a different league altogether...They are among the best 5-6 in the business in history of cricket (in pace bowling and opening respectively), which Hayden or Kapil aren't...If you want to differ in view do that (like if you feel Hayden is one of the best openers in the history of test cricket, you are free to feel so), but don't make comments like calling Kapil an average bowler...On a second thought, probably you yourself will understant that was idiotic.
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    the difference between gavaskar and hayden is the difference between marshall and walsh. and that is not meant to be insulting to any of the four champs above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    are you kidding? gavaskar by so much it isn't funny...gavaskar bears serious comparison to the greatest ever openers test cricket has seen while hayden would be at least a couple of rungs below...
    Check out the actual attacks he batted against when playing WI and England away. I think SJS (apologies if incorrect) did something on that a year or so back IIRC.
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    ikki is correct

    Some of the pretentious opinions seemingly ingrained on this forum are ridiculous

    Batsman with 7,000/8,000 or more test runs at an average over 50 can all reasonably be compared to each other, with the exception of Bradman. This should be obvious yet somehow isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    ikki is correct

    Some of the pretentious opinions seemingly ingrained on this forum are ridiculous

    Batsman with 7,000/8,000 or more test runs at an average over 50 can all reasonably be compared to each other, with the exception of Bradman. This should be obvious yet somehow isn't.
    Ah yes, tell us about Viv Richards again

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Ah yes, tell us about Viv Richards again
    Viv Richards- a fine batsman, fit for comparison with the likes of Matthew Hayden and Sunil Gavaskar

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Viv Richards- a fine batsman, fit for comparison with the likes of Matthew Hayden and Sunil Gavaskar
    I thought you would 'bite' harder then that

    I am not sure if you watched Gavaskar bat? But you have watched Lara and Ponting, would you rate Ponting in front of Lara? He has a better average

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    Or- Viv Richards, the batsman who could (apparently) dominate attacks with ease, yet (apparently) chose (?) not to, instead settling for being less successful at test match run-gettery than the (apparently) mediocre Matthew Hayden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    Or- Viv Richards, the batsman who could (apparently) dominate attacks with ease, yet (apparently) chose (?) not to, instead settling for being less successful at test match run-gettery than the (apparently) mediocre Matthew Hayden.
    That is more like it!

    Now I say "you had to watch Viv to appreciate just what a great batsman he was"

    Then you say .....................

    Then I say ........................

    But I don't have the energy tonight

    So lets just leave it at that

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