Current pecking order?

NUFAN · 16-10-2008, 03:57 AM

Just in the India-Australia thread and there was some talk about the pecking order of the Australian fast bowlers.

What do you think the selectors current order is and what is your order?

Selectors
1 Brett Lee
2 Stuart Clark
3 Mitchell Johnson
4 Peter Siddle
5 Ashley Noffke
6 Doug Bollinger
7 Shaun Tait
8 Ben Hilfenhaus ***
9 Nathan Bracken
10 Brett Geeves
11 Steve Magoffin
12 Ryan Harris

*** In the other thread I had Hilfenhaus at 10, but remember they still picked him for the Windies tour originally after a bad year.

Prince EWS · 16-10-2008, 03:59 AM

As I said in the other thread, I don't see how you could argue that Noffke is ahead of Bollinger given Bollinger is currently on tour with the Australian Test team and Noffke's playing for Queensland.

Craig · 16-10-2008, 04:00 AM

I would have Bracken down near the bottom since he is considered an ODI specialist and not much as a Test bowler, so a lot would happen before they went back to Bracken for Tests.

NUFAN · 16-10-2008, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

As I said in the other thread, I don't see how you could argue that Noffke is ahead of Bollinger given Bollinger is currently on tour with the Australian Test team and Noffke's playing for Queensland.

A good way to get my post count up but..

Quote:

I think the selectors didn't think Noffke would be so valuable on the Indian pitches and is still in the selectors minds.

The selectors picked Bollinger on tour in case Johnson didn't perform..

Bollinger may be on this tour but it doesn't appear as though the selectors are that confident he'll perform as he didn't even get a run in the tour game.

I guess I should have stated what the pecking order will be like in Australian conditions after this current tour is over.

NZTailender · 16-10-2008, 04:19 AM

Bollinger ahead of Siddle, surely?

Prince EWS · 16-10-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NZTailender

Bollinger ahead of Siddle, surely?

Siddle's playing tomorrow ahead of Bollinger, so it seems not.

NZTailender · 16-10-2008, 04:39 AM

Haha yeah, I only just got home and this was the first thread I read before anything else. Massive Greigy right there.

Samuel_Vimes · 16-10-2008, 04:44 AM

Second guessing the Aussie selectors seems impossible at present. Will try though.

Lee
Clark
Johnson
Siddle
Clarke
Bollinger
Pattinson
Hilfenhaus
Harmison
Tait
Buddy
Johns
Bradman
Spofforth
Noffke

imo

NZTailender · 16-10-2008, 04:45 AM

No Warne or Gilchrist ahead of Noffke? Heard Hayden can send down some at close to 80kph.

Richard · 16-10-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes

Second guessing the Aussie selectors seems impossible at present.

Second-guessing selectors as a rule is very often impossible.

I'd say a rough order of calibre (not of current selectorial merit) would be:
Clark = Lee
Noffke
Tait

Then the "promising but so far had just 1 good season":
Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Siddle.

Then the "promising but not really done much yet":
Johnson

I'm honestly struggling to see how Siddle (Bollinger to a lesser extent) got in this tour-party ahead of Noffke, never mind being about to make his Test debut. Siddle might perfectly possibly turn-out to be a damn good bowler, but we don't even know that yet, never mind whether he's any good already.

Wonder where Tait will slip back in if and when he returns to the game.

chaminda_00 · 17-10-2008, 01:10 AM

1. Brett Lee
2. Stuart Clark
3. Doug Bollinger
4. Nathan Bracken
5. Mark Cameron
6. Mosies Henriques
7. Grant Lambert
8. Shane Watson

NUFAN · 17-10-2008, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NUFAN

Just in the India-Australia thread and there was some talk about the pecking order of the Australian fast bowlers.

What do you think the selectors current order is and what is your order?

Selectors
1 Brett Lee
2 Stuart Clark
3 Mitchell Johnson
4 Peter Siddle
5 Ashley Noffke
6 Doug Bollinger
7 Shaun Tait
8 Ben Hilfenhaus ***
9 Nathan Bracken
10 Brett Geeves
11 Steve Magoffin
12 Ryan Harris

*** In the other thread I had Hilfenhaus at 10, but remember they still picked him for the Windies tour originally after a bad year.

And now for my rankings.
1. Stuart Clark
2. Brett Lee
3. Ashley Noffke
4. Steve Magoffin
5. Ben Hilfenhaus
6. Mitchell Johson
7. Shaun Tait
8. Nathan Bracken
9. Doug Bollinger
10. Peter Siddle
11. Ryan Harris
12. Brett Geeves

Doubt many will agree with me, I just like the looks of both Magoffin and Hilfenhaus.

Magoffin is an underrated bowler, he's now played almost 50 first class matches and his average is under 28, so he is very good. I don't see him often at all in 4 Day matches, but still rate him highly. I predicted him before the season to be the Shield leading wicket taker this year, started off well.

The Hilf did have a bad year last year, but was injured a lot and I loved him in 2006/07. Started this season well also.

Top_Cat · 17-10-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Siddle's playing tomorrow ahead of Bollinger, so it seems not.

Just because he got ahead for one Test doesn't mean he's ahead overall. It's probably more of a balance issue.

inbox24 · 17-10-2008, 02:56 AM

To be honest the selectors have gotten the Test pecking order wrong. This is what it should be:

1. Clark
2. Lee
3. Bollinger
4. Siddle
5. Hilfenhaus
6. Noffke
7. Bracken
8. Tait
9. Johnson

Johnson's wickets in this test have mainly been due to bad bowling. Bracken is on the decline as a one day bowler too so he ranks low. Really feel that Bollinger's form is being wasted at the moment.

Top_Cat · 17-10-2008, 03:23 AM

Haha, laughable. Seriously.

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16-10-2008, 04:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
NZTailender Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand Posts: 19,046	Haha yeah, I only just got home and this was the first thread I read before anything else. Massive Greigy right there.

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NZTailender Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand Posts: 19,046	No Warne or Gilchrist ahead of Noffke? Heard Hayden can send down some at close to 80kph.

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inbox24 International Debutant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 2,091	To be honest the selectors have gotten the Test pecking order wrong. This is what it should be: 1. Clark 2. Lee 3. Bollinger 4. Siddle 5. Hilfenhaus 6. Noffke 7. Bracken 8. Tait 9. Johnson Johnson's wickets in this test have mainly been due to bad bowling. Bracken is on the decline as a one day bowler too so he ranks low. Really feel that Bollinger's form is being wasted at the moment.

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