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    Top 100 Test Batsmen - newly revised and updated

    Okay, so after a lot of work, I present to you updated top 100s of my test cricket ratings.

    Big changes have been made, most notably the introduction of points for away average, peak average, and non-minnow average.

    Explanation for batsmen:

    Average x5.5 (worth 100% of weighting)
    Career Runs divided by 200 (worth 10% of weighting)
    Peak Average x1.5 (worth 30% of weighting) (batsmen has to have played at least 10 matches for 1877-1912 batsmen, 15 matches for 1920-1939 batsmen, and 20 matches for 1946-present day batsmen)
    Away Average x1.5 (worth 25% of weighting) (batsmen has to have played at least 5 away matches for 1877-1912 batsmen, and at least 10 away matches for 1920-present day batsmen)
    Non-minnow Average x1.125 (worth 20% of weighting) (minnows are South Africa 1880-1900, New Zealand 1929-1960, Zimbabwe 2003-present day, and Bangladesh 2000-present day)
    50+ scores per innings x300 (worth 35% of weighting)
    Centuries scored x2.75 (worth 20% of weighting)
    %Centuries per match x300 (worth 25% of weighting)

    Finally,
    batsmen playing entire career before 1900: +35% of rating
    batsmen playing partly before 1900: +27.5% of rating
    batsmen playing between 1900-1914: +20% of rating
    batsmen playing partly before 1914: +10% of rating

    batsmen whose careers were interrupted by WWI or WWII: +7.5% of rating

    batsmen playing less then 30 matches: -5% of rating (post 1970 batsmen only)
    batsmen playing less then 25 matches: -5% of rating
    batsmen playing less then 20 matches: -20% of rating
    batsmen playing less then 15 matches: -35% of rating
    batsmen playing less then 10 matches: -50% of rating

    *slightly more lenient to batsmen playing before WWI.

    Example: Sachin Tendulkar

    Average: 54.23 x5.5= 298.27
    Runs: 11877/200= 59.39
    Peak Average: 58.87 x1.5 = 88.31
    Away Average: 54.40 x1.5 = 81.60
    NM Average: 52.66 x1.125 = 59.24
    50+ scores per innings: 0.361 x300 = 108.2
    Centuries: 39 x 2.75 = 107.3
    Centuries per match: 0.26 + 300 = 78
    Final Rating: 880





    Top 100 Test Batsmen

    1 DG Bradman 1531
    2 JB Hobbs 972
    3 WR Hammond 919
    4 H Sutcliffe 905
    5 RT Ponting 901
    6 L Hutton 888
    7 GA Headley 882
    8 SR Tendulkar 880
    9 KF Barrington 872
    10 MEK Hussey 858
    11 GS Sobers 857
    12 BC Lara 850
    13 JH Kallis 850
    14 ED Weekes 845
    15 SM Gavaskar 840
    16 ML Hayden 828
    17 Mohammad Yousuf 822
    18 R Dravid 818
    19 GS Chappell 817
    20 CL Walcott 806
    21 AD Nourse 803
    22 Javed Miandad 792
    23 SR Waugh 792
    24 DCS Compton 788
    25 IVA Richards 787
    26 AR Border 785
    27 RN Harvey 763
    28 KS Ranjitsinhji 762
    29 KC Sangakkara 759
    30 Inzamam-ul-Haq 758
    31 FS Jackson 755
    32 DPMD Jayawardene 753
    33 V Sehwag 746
    34 E Paynter 740
    35 B Mitchell 728
    36 G Boycott 726
    37 GC Smith 725
    38 KD Walters 724
    39 A Flower 721
    40 S Chanderpaul 719
    41 RG Pollock 716
    42 Younis Khan 716
    43 KP Pietersen 716
    44 AR Morris 705
    45 AC Gilchrist 702
    46 C Hill 702
    47 AL Hassett 697
    48 FMM Worrell 694
    49 CH Lloyd 690
    50 G Kirsten 690
    51 CG Macartney 690
    52 JL Langer 688
    53 MC Cowdrey 683
    54 RB Kanhai 683
    55 M Azharuddin 681
    56 DR Martyn 678
    57 MA Taylor 675
    58 WH Ponsford 675
    59 ER Dexter 673
    60 Saeed Anwar 671
    61 W Bardsley 671
    62 VT Trumper 669
    63 WM Lawry 666
    64 CG Greenidge 666
    65 EJ Barlow 662
    66 WA Brown 660
    67 HW Taylor 658
    68 MD Crowe 657
    69 DC Boon 657
    70 WM Woodfull 655
    71 DI Gower 653
    72 PBH May 652
    73 RB Simpson 651
    74 DM Jones 651
    75 DL Amiss 649
    76 GA Faulkner 648
    77 SJ McCabe 648
    78 VS Hazare 648
    79 GA Gooch 647
    80 GP Thorpe 646
    81 EH Hendren 646
    82 SM Nurse 645
    83 AI Kallicharran 644
    84 RB Richardson 643
    85 ME Waugh 642
    86 DJ Cullinan 637
    87 PA de Silva 634
    88 M Leyland 628
    89 Hanif Mohammad 628
    90 ME Trescothick 624
    91 MP Vaughan 622
    92 IM Chappell 621
    93 M Amarnath 621
    94 CP Mead 619
    95 Saleem Malik 619
    96 MJ Clarke 619
    97 JH Edrich 618
    98 NC O'Neill 618
    99 MJ Slater 616
    100 SC Ganguly 616


    I tried to upload my microsoft excel spreadsheet, but it wouldn't work

    So, if anyone wants a copy, I can email it to you. Of particular interest could be the peak averages of batsmen.

    I'm really glad to see Arthur Morris get ahead of Langer as Australia's 2nd best opening bat.

    Good to see Worrell too make it into the top 50.

    Sadly, King Viv doesn't move from his mid-20s spot.

    Barrington's position may surprise a few, but he must have been a batsmen for all conditions, who also retired relatively early.
    Last edited by Days of Grace; 10-08-2008 at 07:51 AM.
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    My top 20 test batsmen according to some complicated statistical criteria with statistics taken 1 month ago are as follows -

    Rank Batsman Points
    1 Donald Bradman 328
    2 Garfield Sobers 239
    3 Jack Hobbs 235
    4 Wally Hammond 226
    5 Sachin Tendulkar 225
    6 Everton Weekes 223
    7 Len Hutton 221
    8 George Headley 218
    9 Clyde Walcott 216
    10 Javed Miandad 212
    11 Ken Barrington 211
    12 Steve Waugh 209
    13 Sunil Gavaskar 207
    14 Brian Lara 207
    15 Ricky Ponting 206
    16 Allan Border 204
    17 Vivian Richards 202
    18 Greg Chappell 202
    19 Jacques Kallis 200
    20 Herbert Sutcliffe 199
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    Interesting how your list is markedly different from mine.

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    Good work...
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    If there is any possibility to get the ICC ranking (points) for each plapers career and to dinf the median points? That would have been a real indicator. LG-ICC rankings use a complex system to rank players.

    Ex. Kumar Sangakkara
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    Loving that the gap between 1 and 2 is miles bigger than between 2 and 100. Bit like Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Loving that the gap between 1 and 2 is miles bigger than between 2 and 100. Bit like Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson Padraig Harrington.
    Fixed.

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    kallis and dravid ahead of inzi.. that is one of the reason why i think states are bs..

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    That's an interesting point. Quite clearly you think that the stats don't explain how many times Inzi has pulled Pakistan out of the ****, compared to Dravid and Kallis, who seem to bat in their own 'bubble', so to speak. Am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon510 View Post
    kallis and dravid ahead of inzi.. that is one of the reason why i think states are bs..
    United States ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon510 View Post
    kallis and dravid ahead of inzi.. that is one of the reason why i think states are bs..
    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    That's an interesting point. Quite clearly you think that the stats don't explain how many times Inzi has pulled Pakistan out of the ****, compared to Dravid and Kallis, who seem to bat in their own 'bubble', so to speak. Am I correct?
    Probably more to do with the way they bat. haroon has been very critical of Dravid and Kallis during his time on CW, he doesn't think they are very good because they score slowly.
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    Thought this might be of interest:

    Top 30 Peak averages achieved in Test Cricket history

    (after at least 20 test matches for players post WWII, after at least 15 test matches for players between WWI and WWII)

    1 DG Bradman 112.29
    2 MEK Hussey 84.80
    3 H Sutcliffe 82.60
    4 Javed Miandad 71.74
    5 JC Adams 68.73
    6 DCS Compton 67.47
    7 KD Walters 67.46
    8 E Paynter 67.00
    9 WR Hammond 66.62
    10 ED Weekes 66.25
    11 GA Headley 65.78
    12 RN Harvey 65.29
    13 FMM Worrell 64.72
    14 RG Pollock 64.31
    15 IVA Richards 64.14
    16 AR Morris 63.96
    17 GS Sobers 63.91
    18 L Hutton 61.71
    19 JB Hobbs 61.28
    20 AC Gilchrist 61.06
    21 BC Lara 60.96
    22 KF Barrington 60.66
    23 CL Walcott 60.43
    24 RT Ponting 59.99
    25 AD Nourse 59.72
    26 ML Hayden 58.97
    27 SR Tendulkar 58.87
    28 GC Smith 58.78
    29 R Dravid 58.75
    30 JH Kallis 58.20

    Interesting to see Jimmy Adams up there. Has ever a test batsman faded so quickly after such a great start? I remember watching him and he didn't look that talented, so I always wonder how he managed to have an average of nearly 70 after 20 test matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Probably more to do with the way they bat. haroon has been very critical of Dravid and Kallis during his time on CW, he doesn't think they are very good because they score slowly.
    I don't think he denies they are good players, he just doesn't like them because of the slow scoring, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    I don't think he denies they are good players, he just doesn't like them because of the slow scoring, IIRC.
    I seem to remember him putting down Kallis and Dravid because of their slow scoring, saying they weren't good Test batsmen or something. Added to that he personally doesn't like them.

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    If there's one batsmen in the top 20 I don't like up there, it's Mohammad Yousuf. Him at no.17 just doesn't seem right.

    Hoping for him to have a few bad series coming up.

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