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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Why is it not practical? This plan improves domestic cricket, rather than run that money-making, brand-brandishing event using top cricketers from everywhere. Both IPL and the domestic scene have their problems (lack of quality, revenues and interest against lack of cricket-oriented planning), and bringing the two together will solve them.

    Besides, Sachin and Dhoni can only play for one team!
    yeah.. let them play for their IPL side in the Duleep and for their normal state side in Ranji.. NOt a big diff., is it? We will keep them seperate and hopefully IPL scouts will keep an eye on Ranji and pick up the best from their for their sides... And national selection can come in from Duleep and Deodhar... Doesn't seem like the worst idea to me as long as the guys who bought the IPL sides are prepared to invest in this...
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    The truth is, neither the domestic season nor the IPL can provide a supply line for the Indian team. The IPL had some fantastic cricket on show, some great performances by the international stars, and some fantastic performances by international youngsters, but there were also some notable achievements for some Indians. That has, for some reason, not been utilised well, possibly because it was only T20, and this was less a cricket tournament than a below-the-line promotion. The domestic season, on the other hand, has no stars, no action and no proper conditioning, so you won't get international-ready players instantly. The two need to be brought together, and maybe even the ICL should be absorbed into the system, for an integrated domestic cricket setup.

    The prospect of Mumbai Indians against West Zone doesn't look too good. Rather, the match looks very one-sided, especially with the internationals. Moreover, the best part of the Duleep Trophy is that it brings together the best cricketers all over the country, at full strength. That will get diluted with match-ups like these.

    Ideally, we have the IPL foreign players split up across catchment teams for the Ranji Trophy, while the Duleep and Deodhar, scheduled strategically in the international off-season, can have all of India's first line in action. In such a scene, the youngsters and domestic performers will be conditioned a lot better here, without any pressure for brand promotion or lack of board interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    The truth is, neither the domestic season nor the IPL can provide a supply line for the Indian team. The IPL had some fantastic cricket on show, some great performances by the international stars, and some fantastic performances by international youngsters, but there were also some notable achievements for some Indians. That has, for some reason, not been utilised well, possibly because it was only T20, and this was less a cricket tournament than a below-the-line promotion. The domestic season, on the other hand, has no stars, no action and no proper conditioning, so you won't get international-ready players instantly. The two need to be brought together, and maybe even the ICL should be absorbed into the system, for an integrated domestic cricket setup.

    The prospect of Mumbai Indians against West Zone doesn't look too good. Rather, the match looks very one-sided, especially with the internationals. Moreover, the best part of the Duleep Trophy is that it brings together the best cricketers all over the country, at full strength. That will get diluted with match-ups like these.

    Ideally, we have the IPL foreign players split up across catchment teams for the Ranji Trophy, while the Duleep and Deodhar, scheduled strategically in the international off-season, can have all of India's first line in action. In such a scene, the youngsters and domestic performers will be conditioned a lot better here, without any pressure for brand promotion or lack of board interest.
    I just think having the IPL teams compete for Duleep on home and away basis would be the best bet.. And have the majority of the tourney during the international (or at least, Indian) off season so that enough of the big names can participate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I just think having the IPL teams compete for Duleep on home and away basis would be the best bet.. And have the majority of the tourney during the international (or at least, Indian) off season so that enough of the big names can participate..
    That's a confusing idea, like Mumbai Indians against West Zone. We don't expect it to work too well. Last time we had Elite teams A, B and C competing with Plate teams A and B, there was nothing to get out of the Duleep Trophy.

    The BCCI have created the IPL. It's a fantastic concept, with the quality of cricket played, but they can get nothing out of it from a cricketing point of view. Their supply line is still the domestic circuit and the occasional A-team tours. The domestic scene has its problems, while the players who do well in A-team tours are usually (we don't see express pace bowlers or all-rounders coming out of these events) not relevant.

    While some lesser internationals who became IPL heroes are now doing well for their national teams, the BCCI hasn't tapped the success of the local IPL heroes much- Yusuf Pathan, Amit Mishra, MS Gony and Ashok Dinda being examples. Then you had the antics of the team owners and sponsors, and also the telecasters on show. For the BCCI, it's back to Ranji, Duleep, ROD and Deodhar to tap the supply line. You get a very raw bunch, not primed enough for international cricket, though they are all talented. Bringing together the IPL, the ICL and the domestic scene will help a lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    That's a confusing idea, like Mumbai Indians against West Zone. We don't expect it to work too well. Last time we had Elite teams A, B and C competing with Plate teams A and B, there was nothing to get out of the Duleep Trophy.

    The BCCI have created the IPL. It's a fantastic concept, with the quality of cricket played, but they can get nothing out of it from a cricketing point of view. Their supply line is still the domestic circuit and the occasional A-team tours. The domestic scene has its problems, while the players who do well in A-team tours are usually (we don't see express pace bowlers or all-rounders coming out of these events) not relevant.

    While some lesser internationals who became IPL heroes are now doing well for their national teams, the BCCI hasn't tapped the success of the local IPL heroes much- Yusuf Pathan, Amit Mishra, MS Gony and Ashok Dinda being examples. Then you had the antics of the team owners and sponsors, and also the telecasters on show. For the BCCI, it's back to Ranji, Duleep, ROD and Deodhar to tap the supply line. You get a very raw bunch, not primed enough for international cricket, though they are all talented. Bringing together the IPL, the ICL and the domestic scene will help a lot.
    nope.. I meant abolish the zonal teams altogether. Let the Duleep Trophy be between the 8 IPL teams alone, home and away basis... They can get whoever is available from their squads to play for them. Say a Matt Hayden happens to be available, then the super Kings play him along with the other Indian players in their squad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    nope.. I meant abolish the zonal teams altogether. Let the Duleep Trophy be between the 8 IPL teams alone, home and away basis... They can get whoever is available from their squads to play for them. Say a Matt Hayden happens to be available, then the super Kings play him along with the other Indian players in their squad...
    I wonder what such a team will look like.

    The idea is to eliminate the corporate owners completely, so we go back to the Ranji and Duleep teams. If we let India Cements run Chennai Super Kings, we'll again see Badrinath batting below Hayden, Hussey, Fleming and Morkel. The team owners won't really consider what will help Indian cricket and the Indian team, but what will make their brand look better. Ultimately, they won't take any risks (specialist batsmen like Badrinath batting below Morkel, Joginder not getting a bat, Yusuf and Ravi Jadeja not bowling, Nayar not bowling, Pinal batting at seven and Ronchi opening) and give the domestic performers any chances. In fact, Spice didn't even give Yuvraj a chance to get settled with the bat, playing him below all their internationals, and he struggled when needed most against the Super Kings.

    Let's look at these breakups of internationals for Ranji/ROD-
    • Mumbai: Dilhara, Malinga, Bosman
    • Maharashtra: Pollock, Nel, Prince
    • Vidarbha: Dwayne Bravo, Dwayne Smith and Luke Ronchi
    • Chennai: Hayden, Hussey, Muralitharan
    • Kerala: Fleming, Oram, Morkel
    • Railways: Chamara, Ntini
    • Hyderabad: Vaas, Afridi, Gilchrist
    • Andhra: Zoysa, Styris, Gibbs
    • Services: Symonds, Chamara
    • Karnataka: Taylor, Kallis, Steyn
    • Goa: Misbah, Chanderpaul, Bracken
    • Bengal: Ponting, Gayle, Akhtar
    • Orissa: McCullum, Hussey, Mendis
    • Jharkhand: Salman, Umar Gul, Morne Morkel
    • Baroda: Graeme Smith, Justin Langer
    • Rajasthan: Warne and Watson
    • Saurashtra: Tanvir, Akmal
    • Gujarat: Mascarenhas, Flintoff
    • Punjab: Marsh, Brett Lee, Sangakkara
    • HP: Hopes, Mahela, Sarwan
    • J&K: Kyle Mills, Luke Pomersbach
    • Delhi: McGrath, Vettori
    • Uttar Pradesh: Vettori, AB de Villiers
    • Haryana: Maharoof, Pietersen, Alistair Cook
    • Madhya Pradesh: Dilshan, Chris Broad
    Worth a try...

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    India A to play Australia A in two FC matches.

    This is a decent team, although we've seen enough of Badrinath in India A. He should be an India regular now. The selection of Parthiv Patel and Robin Uthappa is a disappointment, as they've been tried in the main team and have been found wanting, especially in one-dayers. The selection of Mohnish Parmar is a bizarre one- he's nowhere on the spin chart, can't bat and has even been called for chucking in the recent past.

    It's good to see Amit Mishra and Piyush Chawla together, and hopefully both will make the playing XI. The team desperately needs multi-skilled players (particularly bowlers who can score runs) so these two have a good chance. There are at least eight such players if you don't count Irfan- five of them will make a lower order who can make sizeable contributions together. This is something to think about when selecting the ODI team.

    And of course, it's a comeback event for Sreesanth. Hopefully we'll see a forceful performance from the fiery young pacer in this series, as he has a recall to play for. Cheteshwar Pujara is one to watch. Having been kicked out by Shah Rukh Khan from his IPL team, the Kolkata (Red Chillies?) Knight Riders, he may have a point to prove, and hopefully we'll see at least two big hundreds from the youngster.

    Preferred XI?
    • Pujara
    • Rahane
    • Dhawan
    • Badrinath (C)
    • Kaif
    • Patel (WK)
    • Chawla (LBG)
    • Mishra (LBG)
    • Vinay Kumar (RM)
    • Sreesanth (RFM)
    • Tyagi (LM)
    We'd prefer Rajesh Pawar or Yusuf Pathan in place of Parmar, and possibly Yo Mahesh, though Vinay Kumar is an interesting choice.

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    Can you put this in the new thread?

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    Great news, looks like all of the big names will be available for the Irani Trophy.

    Delhi should be very competitive with Chopra, Gambhir, Dhawan and Sehwag at the top, not to mention Ishant and Sangwan taking the new ball.

    The ROI side should be interesting - will the selectors just put the rest of the test side out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric View Post
    Great news, looks like all of the big names will be available for the Irani Trophy.

    Delhi should be very competitive with Chopra, Gambhir, Dhawan and Sehwag at the top, not to mention Ishant and Sangwan taking the new ball.

    The ROI side should be interesting - will the selectors just put the rest of the test side out there?
    Ideally, it should be the same as the Test team. In place of Sehwag, Gambhir and Ishant, they can bring in Rahane and two all-rounders (any of Irfan, Yusuf and Praveen Kumar), just to give them a try. The usual trend is to pick several reserves in the team, but if they're not good enough to make the Rest Of India team, why pick them?

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    Now I'd like to know the fan opinion about the IPL: Is the BCCI doing enough to get the maximum cricketing return from it? No doubt the IPL is better than the domestic season, in terms of money, viewership as well as the cricket played. However, while some teams have got a lot out of it (Australia have Ronchi, Watson and Marsh, the Windies have Bravo, South Africa have Smith, Morkel, Steyn and Ntini, the Kiwis had McCullum, and Pakistan found Tanvir), we don't see the Indians getting much out of this. Maybe because it was T20. Maybe because the focus was more on brands than cricket. So have the BCCI capitalised on it enough? What can they do to get more out of it?

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    Irani dates have been advanced. This is a good time for full-strength teams on both sides. Unfortunately, Dhawan is injured, so that's a blow. Here's a prospective Delhi team-
    • Sehwag
    • Gambhir
    • Chopra
    • Virat Kohli
    • Manhas
    • Bhatia (RM)
    • Punit Bhisht (WK)
    • Suhail Sharma (OB)
    • Nehra (LMF)
    • Sangwan (LM)
    • Ishant Sharma (RFM)
    • RESERVE: Bhandari (RM)
    Nehra is more or less in by default, being a former India regular and a decent bowler for Mumbai Indians. The lack of a spinner is obvious here. If we see a Rest Of India A take the field, Delhi may easily win.

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    Oh my. Oh...my! Guess who's back! I wonder, is that team in such dire straits that he should come back?

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    He also said he would be open to join the Indian Premier League if the opportunity arose. "Obviously it will be great to play in the IPL next season and I will take up the chance if it comes along."

    Says it all IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    He also said he would be open to join the Indian Premier League if the opportunity arose. "Obviously it will be great to play in the IPL next season and I will take up the chance if it comes along."

    Says it all IMO.
    Who'll choose him? He'll be excess baggage, batting at eight, and then be sent home to make way for friends of franchise owners in the team hotel.

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