Alltime Pakistan Xi

[BhupinderSingh]

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
*Imran Khan
+Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Waqar Younis

2nd XI:
Majid Khan
Shoaib Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Mohammad Yousuf
Asif Iqbal
Qasim Umar
+Rashid Latif
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Sarfraz Nawaz
Khan Mohammad

Note: Didn't include Shabbir,Asif & Saleem(whom I consider Pakistan's best batsman ever) for the reasons you people know very well!

 

[stumpski]

Two good sides - would have liked to see Asif Iqbal, Intikhab and Sarfraz in there though. 3rd XI perhaps?

So many fine players in those 1970s sides - Wasim Bari too.

 

[stumpski]

Ah, you added Asif Iqbal while I was looking up his record.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Two good sides - would have liked to see Asif Iqbal, Intikhab and Sarfraz in there though. 3rd XI perhaps?

So many fine players in those 1970s sides - Wasim Bari too.

Wasim Bari is the best wk Pakistan has ever produced but he was most useless batsmen of them all as well.Sarfraz was not a better bowler than Khan & Akhtar but I would swap him with Qadir.

 

[aussie]

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
*Imran Khan
+Imtiaz Ahmed
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Waqar Younis

2nd XI:
Majid Khan
Shoaib Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Mohammad Yousuf
Asif Iqbal
Qasim Umar
+Rashid Latif
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Abdul Qadir
Khan Mohammad

Noteidn't include Shabbir,Asif & Saleem(whom I consider Pakistan's best batsman ever) for the reasons you people know very well!

Some interesting selection ever if want to not include some players due for some controversies they have had in their careers which i think is harsh. If you are picking an All-time side it really should be based on cricketening ability though.

Younis Khan top player in recent times but better than Abbas?

Imtiaz Ahmed as keeper is interesting but at his peak was he really a better keeper/batsman than Moin was during the late 90s to early 2000s?

Fazal Mahmood great early bowler for PAK but would have Shoaib ahead of him in a 1st XI though or even Qadir for variety.

Based on what i read don't think Shoaib Mohammed was better than Moshin Khan. Qasim Umar well never heard of him but surely Saleem regardless of his match-fixing woes be considered & Khan Mohammad another early legend but ahead of Sarfraz?

Either way a Pakistan All-time team especially with the idea of Imran/Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib bowling together at their peaks would be devastatingly brilliant side.

 

[Beleg]

Saeed and Hanif are automatic selections.
The middle-order pretty much picks itself as well - Miandad, Zaheer, Inzamam and Majid Khan are choices few would debate. I'd pick Bari as the wicket-keeper with Imran coming at 7.

Overall, the team'd look like,

Saeed
Hanif
Zaheer
Miandad
Inzamam
Majid
Imran
Wasim
Bari
Waqar
Shoaib

No place for a spinner, I am afraid.


Picking a side out of played I've watched is more interesting.

My team'd be,

Anwar
Sohail
Younis
Inzy
Yousuf
Ejaz
Moin Khan
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar

Ejaz's definitely quite underrated.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Some interesting selection ever if want to not include some players due for some controversies they have had in their careers which i think is harsh. If you are picking an All-time side it really should be based on cricketening ability though.

Younis Khan top player in recent times but better than Abbas?

Imtiaz Ahmed as keeper is interesting but at his peak was he really a better keeper/batsman than Moin was during the late 90s to early 2000s?

Fazal Mahmood great early bowler for PAK but would have Shoaib ahead of him in a 1st XI though or even Qadir for variety.

Based on what i read don't think Shoaib Mohammed was better than Moshin Khan. Qasim Umar well never heard of him but surely Saleem regardless of his match-fixing woes be considered & Khan Mohammad another early legend but ahead of Sarfraz?

Either way a Pakistan All-time team especially with the idea of Imran/Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib bowling together at their peaks would be devastatingly brilliant side.

Fazal Mahmood was 5 times the bowler Akhtar is,Shoaib Mohammad>Majid Khan & Khan Mohammad >Sarfraz,in my opinion atleast.
And Younis is there because he's not a flat track bully that Zaheer was and has the best ever average for Pakistani batsman @ 3.

And not considering controversieswould change my 2nd XI only to:
Majid Khan
Shoaib Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Mohammad Yousuf
Saleem Malik
+Rashid Latif
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Shabbir Ahmed
Mohammad Asif

Would prefer to have Mushtaq Mohammad in first XI because of his more than useful spin bowling & also because I haven't put a specialist spinner there.

 

[subshakerz]

Anyone who saw Rashid Latif in the 90s knows he was the most naturally talented and reliable keeper Pakistan has ever seen. Moin was far too unreliable with the gloves. And unlike Bari, Latif knew how to bat.

Majid Khan was good, but didn't even average over 40, which makes his selection in an all-time side questionable. Plus, he was an opener, and couldn't make it ahead of Anwar or Hanif. Zaheer Abbass has a better record and fits in with the middle order better.

Shoaib Akhtar doesn't qualify, he's won few matches on his own, has an unfulfilled career, and doesn't offer anything that Waqar, Wasim and Imran don't already. Fazal Mahmood was a far better matchwinner in his short career, has a better record in many respects and as a seam bowler rounds off the pace attack better.

Not having a spinner in a Pakistan side is silly. Abdul Qadir has long held the mantle of Pakistan's greatest, and deserves a place in the side.

The rest pick themselves. I don't mind Imran at 6 as he averaged over 60 in that position. My definitive side:

Anwar
Hanif
Miandad
Inzamam
Zaheer
Imran
Latif
Wasim
Waqar
Qadir
Mahmood

 

[Beleg]

I cannot believe how underrated Shoaib Akhtar is among certain people. Seriously.

 

[subshakerz]

I cannot believe how underrated Shoaib Akhtar is among certain people. Seriously.

Shoaib on his day is still the best fast bowler in the world, but he's been far too inconsistent and lacks the stamina that great fast bowlers are supposed to have. Compared to Fazal Mahmood he falls short as Mahmood won more matches on his lonesome against top teams in marathon spells.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

I cannot believe how underrated Shoaib Akhtar is among certain people. Seriously.

Missing more than half of your tests for injury is enough to leave you out of alltime side..

 

[aussie]

Fazal Mahmood was 5 times the bowler Akhtar
is,.

5-Times haha, Shoaib regardless of his injuries & troubles with the PAK board etc is easily one of the of most lethal bowlers ever.

Fazal legendary status is basically due to the fact that he was the first true great PAK bowler. But he was like Bedser for ENG bowling of medium pace & some of his best performances on matting pitches which are non-existant now. His type is extinct, can you seriously tell me Fazal could have bettered what Shoaib did to AUS in 2002, produce such deliveries that castled Tendulkar & Dravid in 2000 or vs ENG in 05?

Shoaib Mohammad>Majid Khan.

Is mentioned Moshin Khan. If rightfully PAK's best opening pair should be Haniff/Anwar then after then Majid Khan & Moshin Khan should be next in line given their records againts some of the better attacks of their time in comparison to Shoaib Mohammad.

Khan Mohammad >Sarfraz,in my opinion atleast.

Again early great but benefited alot from extinct matting surfaces, would never buy he would be a more effective bowler than Sarfraz if we are going to use or imagination to hypotetical match againts some other all-time teams batting line-ups.

And Younis is there because he's not a flat track bully that Zaheer was and has the best ever average for Pakistani batsman @ 3.

Younis has made runs on some flat decks in recent times. From sources who have seen Abbas bat he is rated highly even regardless.

 

[aussie]

Anyone who saw Rashid Latif in the 90s knows he was the most naturally talented and reliable keeper Pakistan has ever seen. Moin was far too unreliable with the gloves. And unlike Bari, Latif knew how to bat.

Well when i started watching cricket in 97 i managed to catch Moin at his peak & his keeper was pretty solid while his batting got PAK out of trouble many times during a 4 year period until he was dropped when PAK came here in 2001.

Until Gilchrist came on the scene he was easily the most effective batsman/keeper in the buisness. Even when Latif came back in 01 his bat looked good remember watching him score a solid half-century vs AUS in a natwest game but no keeper in PAK history has combined solid-keeping with competent batting better than Moin.

Shoaib Akhtar doesn't qualify, he's won few matches on his own, has an unfulfilled career, and doesn't offer anything that Waqar, Wasim and Imran don't already. Fazal Mahmood was a far better matchwinner in his short career, has a better record in many respects and as a seam bowler rounds off the pace attack better.

Same could be said about England's Frank Tyson in comparison to Alec Bedser or Maurice Tate but as if we are going to match-up all-time sides no way would Fazal Mahmood be a more effect bowler than Akhtar.

Not having a spinner in a Pakistan side is silly. Abdul Qadir has long held the mantle of Pakistan's greatest, and deserves a place in the side.

Not really i'd wager in most conditions a potentially 4-prong attack of Imran/Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib at their peak would be devastating in all conditions. If its green top or a bouncy deck they would be equally as scary to face on a flat deck where they would get the old ball to reverse @ 90+ mph..[

 

[FRAZ]

Overall, the team'd look like,

Saeed
Hanif
Zaheer
Miandad
Inzamam
Majid
Imran
Wasim
Bari
Waqar
Shoaib

No place for a spinner, I am afraid.


Picking a side out of played I've watched is more interesting.

My team'd be,

Anwar
Sohail
Younis
Inzy
Yousuf
Ejaz
Moin Khan
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar

Ejaz's definitely quite underrated.

Best teams ever . Ok one simple question , Why did I like these teams ?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Ok one simple question , Why did I like these teams ?

Maybe because they're full of Pakistanis.

 

[FRAZ]

Maybe because they're full of Pakistanis.

Hint is there in my post and a little loop hole is highlighted.

 

[FRAZ]

Fazal Mahmood was 5 times the bowler Akhtar is,.

Consider I have used 6 laughing smileys lined up before I say any thing "not in favor" of this comment .

 

[FRAZ]

I cannot believe how underrated Shoaib Akhtar is among certain people. Seriously.

etc etc

 

[ret]

Hanif
Anwar
Abbas
Miandad
Inzi
Imran
WK
Akram
Saqlain
Waqar
Akthar

the interesting thing is that all-time Pak bowling attack has played in one combination or the other so its not like we have to imagine how a guy from 60s would be bowling with a guy from 80s or 90s

on the India's '89 tour to Pak, Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Qadir were the key bowlers .... then Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain and Akthar have played in one combination

 

[weldone]

Mushtaq Mohammad
Hanif Mohammad
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul Haq
Saleem Malik
Zaheer Abbas
Imran Khan
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar

Majid Khan was better than Mushtaq Mohammad as an opening batsman, but Mushtaq comes for his utility as a part-time spinner; specially in a team spearheaded by 4 amazing fast bowlers...

Rashid Latif comes in because of his glovework, specially since he knew how to bat (and Bari didn't) and there was no keeper who was Gilchrist with the bat in Pakistan.

Shoaib Akhtar marginally comes ahead of Fazal Mahmood.

Yousuf doesn't come till now, but the way he's progressing he might replace either Malik or Abbas in a few years.

No spinner comes ahead of these 4 fast bowlers since let alone a Murali or O'Reilly or Warne, not even a Kumble or a Bedi has come from Pakistan; Saqlain and Qadir are far behind these 4 fast bowlers for even being considered for the sake of variety...

Only 4 bowlers have been chosen because (i) I feel they are enough to destroy a good line-up, (ii) Batting is the weaklink specially because the wicketkeeper isn't a great batsman, (iii) We have a part-time spinner in Mushtaq Mohammad...

The rest of the squad pick themselves...