England’s (Provisional) Champions Trophy Squad

[open365]

Originally Posted by wpdavid

Even so, we've got:
- Carberry, Cook, Strauss & Key who are openers
- Bell who is currently opening
- Wright who usually opens
- Mustard & Prior who will open if picked
- Joyce who opened last time he played for us (does he open for Middx in List A games?)

Whereas for postions 4-6 we have:
- KP who's currently at 3 anyway
- Bopara, Collingwood & Shah from the current side
- Fred who should probably be at 7 anyway
- which leaves Patel as our only alternative for 2 or 3 places in the middle order

That strikes me as odd, esp with Trott not betting a look-in.

I think a lot of those players you mentioned as openers won't be viewed strictly as openers though, Carberry/Strauss/Key will probably be used where ever they're needed I reckon

[FBU]

Players from the last provisional ICC CT squad (Fletcher and Graveney's) not in this one -

Blackwell, Chapple, Clarke, Dalrymple, Giles, Gough, Harmison, Hoggard, GJones, Lewis, Loudon, Loye, Read, Solanki, Trescothick, Yardy.

New faces (Moores and Miller)
Carberry, Key, Shah, Patel, SJones, Panesar, Pattinson, Sidebottom, Tremlett, Ambrose, Mascarenhas, Mustard, Prior, Swann, Tredwell, Wright

[Richard]

Yardy has fallen from grace sharply, hasn't he?

I guess an indication that he was elevated hopelessly above his worth.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Tim Ambrose, James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Michael Carberry, Paul Collingwood, Alastair Cook, Andrew Flintoff, Simon Jones, Ed Joyce, Rob Key, Sajid Mahmood, Dimitri Mascarenhas, Phil Mustard, Graham Onions, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel, Darren Pattinson, Kevin Pietersen, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Andrew Strauss, Graeme Swann, James Tredwell, Chris Tremlett, Luke Wright.

Squad will be cut into 15 in the coming weeks.

Thoughts?

Dire.

[four_or_six]

Originally Posted by FBU

Players from the last provisional ICC CT squad (Fletcher and Graveney's) not in this one -

Blackwell, Chapple, Clarke, Dalrymple, Giles, Gough, Harmison, Hoggard, GJones, Lewis, Loudon, Loye, Read, Solanki, Trescothick, Yardy.

New faces (Moores and Miller)
Carberry, Key, Shah, Patel, SJones, Panesar, Pattinson, Sidebottom, Tremlett, Ambrose, Mascarenhas, Mustard, Prior, Swann, Tredwell, Wright

I'd forgotten about Jon Lewis. What happened to him, he didn't play badly when he played iirc.

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Darren Pattinson’s ascent from part-time cricketer (full-time roofer) is either remarkable or is an apt illustration of how 'bad' county cricket is.

Anyone seen him bowl?

Yeah, saw him in the 2020 versus Yorkshire. He didn't take any wickets, but was quick (consistently over 85mph & up as high as 88mph) and got good bounce and carry from quite a full length. I would imagine, given his height, he probably normally bowls a shorter length, but changed due to the dictates of the shortest format.

Few years down the line we could see brother versus brother* at international level, unless his kid bro comes over to the side of the angels too.

*actually, did Joyce face his brother when we played Ireland before the last WC?

[four_or_six]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Yeah, saw him in the 2020 versus Yorkshire. He didn't take any wickets, but was quick (consistently over 85mph & up as high as 88mph) and got good bounce and carry from quite a full length. I would imagine, given his height, he probably normally bowls a shorter length, but changed due to the dictates of the shortest format.

Few years down the line we could see brother versus brother* at international level, unless his kid bro comes over to the side of the angels too.

*actually, did Joyce face his brother when we played Ireland before the last WC?

I think he was injured. Isn't that just after he did that horrible knee injury fielding in a T20 or something?

[Prince EWS]

No Trott again. WTF?

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by four_or_six

I think he was injured. Isn't that just after he did that horrible knee injury fielding in a T20 or something?

I had to look it up, but I was right. From CricketArchive

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Darren Pattinson’s ascent from part-time cricketer (full-time roofer) is either remarkable or is an apt illustration of how 'bad' county cricket is.

Anyone seen him bowl?

I saw him bowl a few times for Victoria last season. Very tall man who bowls back of a length at decent pace. He's didn't look anywhere near international standard though - I'd describe him as a very poor man's Chris Tremlett.

[open365]

Originally Posted by FBU

Players from the last provisional ICC CT squad (Fletcher and Graveney's) not in this one -

Blackwell - good, Chapple - good, Clarke - very good, Dalrymple - very good, Giles- good, Gough - very good, Harmison -even better, Hoggard - better still, GJones - Interesting, but goos, Lewis - Meh i liked him but not much need now, Loudon - Good he never was up to standard, Loye - good at present, Read - hmmmm, Solanki - good, Trescothick - sad, Yardy - Good, was plainly not good enough as well.

Imo

[open365]

Originally Posted by Richard

Yardy has fallen from grace sharply, hasn't he?

I guess an indication that he was elevated hopelessly above his worth.

Agree totaly, England have a habbit of massively overestimating people who clearly aren't that good and don't look like being good in the future

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by open365

Imo

Harsh on Giles I reckon. He was a good one day cricketer; did his job. Early signs suggest Swann could well be better but Giles was most certainly better than some of those who have replaced him in the 30 (like Tredwell).

[open365]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Harsh on Giles I reckon. He was a good one day cricketer; did his job. Early signs suggest Swann could well be better but Giles was most certainly better than some of those who have replaced him in the 30 (like Tredwell).

Probably, I'm really struggling to remember Giles in a one day shirt though nowadays, I do like the look of Swan so far though.

[four_or_six]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

I had to look it up, but I was right. From CricketArchive

Ah, yeah The T20 where he was injured was the match after, againsy Sri Lanka.