Piyush Chawla - ODI Standard?

[Manee]

Does Chawla deserve to be in the ODI team?

There have been many allegations on the back of one of Piyush Chawla's poor games that he is not ODI standard, but looking at his ODI record which is a respectable one and taking into account that people may remember how well he bowled in some spells in England with Ramesh Powar, these suggestions are rubbished.

However, looking at statsguru, this claim may be more credible than initially thought.

Click here for a filtered statsguru analysis which filters out associate nations and Bangladesh. Evidently, the record is not acceptable for a specialist bowler. Obviously, he is a young talent who is learning, but is he currently holding the ODI team down against good opposition with his performances?

 

[social]

Interesting that you've brought this thread up as I was only thinking about Chawla today in comparison to Southee.

Both have been rated the best under 19 players in the world recently.

However, IMO, whilst Chawla is closer to being the finished article, Southee has a heap more potential.

Chawla is amazingly good for his age (accurate, variation, etc ) BUT just not that good in international terms. He's short, doesnt spin the ball much and, to be frank, doesnt bowl too many wicket taking deliveries.

I remember seeing Warne take 1-150 on debut when Shastri made a double hundred. Warne was flogged but still bowled a lot of unplayable deliveries.

Somehow you knew he had the goods whilst I get the feeling that Chawla doesnt.

When assessing young players, I always think of a friend of mine whose son is one of the world's best golfers.

His advice is to ignore the fact that a young player shoots a 78, i.e. a crap round. The real issue is whether they are one of the very few that can shoot a 65 as that's what it takes to be a world-beater

IMO, it's extremely debatable whether Chawla can do that

 

[Richard]

Chawla isn't ODI-standard right now, I've no doubt of that. Can he be in future? I don't doubt so for a second.

Silly to be playing ODIs at his age. Absolutely silly. So much more to lose than to gain by it.

 

[Arjun]

Chawla isn't the best leggie in India- Mishra is more seasoned and would have been a better bet. He's a good bet for the future, but with Kumble retired, Harbhajan inconsistent (and often banned), Kartik no good at all and Powar not ODI standard either, they're stuck with Chawla. That's not such a bad thing.

 

[ret]

Piyush Chawla - ODI Standard?

yes .... he is pretty decent .... unless he is suppose to perform like Warne

leg-spinners are like double edged swords, usually either they give crucial break-through or go for runs .... if economy rate is of major concern then an off-spinner is a better option

if I m playing a leggie in my team then its more to pick up wkts than anything else .... and in games won Chawla has been impressive in that respect

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in 20 games that he has played, Ind has won 14 .... he has picked up 23 wkts in those 14 games which is good

 

[Manee]

yes .... he is pretty decent .... unless he is suppose to perform like Warne

leg-spinners are like double edged swords, usually either they give crucial break-through or go for runs .... if economy rate is of major concern then an off-spinner is a better option

if I m playing a leggie in my team then its more to pick up wkts than anything else .... and in games won Chawla has been impressive in that respect

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in 20 games that he has played, Ind has won 14 .... he has picked up 23 wkts in those 14 games which is good

Did you ignore the statsguru analysis in the first post where it is evident that Chawla has played a lot of games and got a lot of his performances against poor ODI teams.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Silly to be playing ODIs at his age. Absolutely silly. So much more to lose than to gain by it.

Yep. It pretty much ruins any chance he has to be a top class Test spinner. He should be taught to give the ball flight and focus on taking wickets rather than trying to be economical and stop playings scoring in limited over games.

 

[Manee]

Yep. It pretty much ruins any chance he has to be a top class Test spinner. He should be taught to give the ball flight and focus on taking wickets rather than trying to be economical and stop playings scoring in limited over games.

I think this line of thinking is rather silly. Chawla has played his fair share of FC cricket, (and successfully) to know that you need to bowl differently in different forms of the game.

 

[ret]

Did you ignore the statsguru analysis in the first post where it is evident that Chawla has played a lot of games and got a lot of his performances against poor ODI teams.

those are misleading figures as
1. involve games that he played at the start of his career, where he was adjusting to the learning curve [i guess, he still is with just 20 games] and the couple of bad games he had against Pak on flat tracks
2. doesn't show a trend but a selection of his performances at the start of his career and the couple of bad games that he has had

if we are to analyze his performance by taking a sample then his performances this year should be good .... the below shows that he has done badly in two games against Pak

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[Prince EWS]

those are misleading figures as
1. involve games that he played at the start of his career, where he was adjusting to the learning curve [i guess, he still is with just 20 games] and the couple of bad games he had against Pak on flat tracks
2. doesn't show a trend but a selection of his performances at the start of his career and the couple of bad games that he has had

if we are to analyze his performance by taking a sample then his performances this year should be good .... the below shows that he has done badly in two games against Pak

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That includes 4/23 he took against Hong Kong though - a game which really proved less than the a domestic game in India would have. If you take that game out of your filtered segment, he'd have 6 wickets in 6 games @ 49.50 (5.43) which isn't really good enough.

Really though, what must be taken into context is the **** pitches he's been playing on. When you consider that 300 has been chased down with ease in games he's played of late, his figures don't look too bad after all. Including games against Hong Kong etc will make him look far better than he actually has been though.

 

[ret]

That includes 4/23 he took against Hong Kong though - a game which really proved less than the a domestic game in India would have. If you take that game out of your filtered segment, he'd have 6 wickets in 6 games @ 49.50 (5.43) which isn't really good enough.

Really though, what must be taken into context is the **** pitches he's been playing on. When you consider that 300 has been chased down with ease in games he's played of late, his figures don't look too bad after all. Including games against Hong Kong etc will make him look far better than he actually has been though.

yep, that almost sums it up

that ER of 5.43 isn't bad when you consider the surfaces that he has played on

 

[Sanz]

Statsguru doesn't tell anything about any player. Statsguru is a tool to back your opinion on a particular issue/player by showing the stats.

Piyush Chawla is a good spinner, he is ready to play International Cricket ODIs and Tests both, mentally and physically. He showed it in against the best team in the world in VB series @ Sydney. That he succeeds in the future will depend on how much he improves his skills. I agree with Social's assessment on his skill level.

 

[honestbharani]

He has got potential but needs to improve quite a bit to be a good to great spinner for India.


That said, I do think he is ODI standard, if such a thing actually exists.

 

[Top_Cat]

Statsguru doesn't tell anything about any player. Statsguru is a tool to back your opinion on a particular issue/player by showing the stats.

Piyush Chawla is a good spinner, he is ready to play International Cricket ODIs and Tests both, mentally and physically. He showed it in against the best team in the world in VB series @ Sydney. That he succeeds in the future will depend on how much he improves his skills. I agree with Social's assessment on his skill level.

Yup, agree with that. He looked the part and against the Aussies, looked didn't back down an inch. Good signs for India.

Absolutely disagree that he has nothing to gain from being picked so young; in my view the experience gained by playing at the top level far outstrips what he'll learn by slogging it out for his state. Sure he's struggling now and will probably get dropped. But he'll come back a stronger player, I reckon.

 

[Goughy]

Without doubt he has variation. Ill put my hand up and admit to finding it hard to take him seriously as he looks like an under 13 cricketer out there. Thats my issue, though it does make it hard for me to objectively rate him.

 

[Migara]

Better than Mony Panesar, Jeethan Patel, Mansoor Amjad, Beau Casson, Sulaiman Benn, Harris and Malinga Bandara.

So what would you ask from him? Few sides around the world will be dying for a bowler like him.

 

[Richard]

Statsguru doesn't tell anything about any player.

Well... StatsGuru itself doesn't, but the stats it can find (if you use it properly) does.

It tells you what his performances have been like. Of course, it doesn't tell you how those performances were achieved, but you can read about that.

 

[Jono]

That said, I do think he is ODI standard, if such a thing actually exists.

Lol, I was thinking the exact same thing. I already hate the term 'test standard' (as this standard varies from team to team IMO, but the term ODI standard is ridiculous IMO.

 

[Manee]

Why is it a ridiculous term, their was no intention for any implication except the standard which is commonly accepted on CW as the top level of ODI teams who compete against each other in close contests on a semi-regular basis.

 

[Richard]

Lol, I was thinking the exact same thing. I already hate the term 'test standard' (as this standard varies from team to team IMO, but the term ODI standard is ridiculous IMO.

Not entirely sure why either Test-standard or ODI-standard are ridiculous terms TBH.

Being Test-standard and being good enough to play for your own Test team are two different things, for starters. I don't doubt Darren Lehmann was Test-standard for almost his entire career, but until 2002/03 he couldn't get in Australia's team, nor could he be said to have been hard-done-by.

Likewise Ramnaresh Sarwan has been easily good enough to play for West Indies' Test team in recent times, but I've often wondered whether he really is Test-class or not. Marlon Samuels an even more extreme example.

I've, obviously, excluded many possible Bangladeshi examples as their Test team shouldn't be a Test team.