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    Minority XI

    I thought this would be an interesting process as well as a test of the maturity of the CW forum.

    What is the All Time World XI made up of people from ethinc/religious etc minorities in their country of origin.

    Examples for consideration would be like
    - Jeff Stollmeyer (Trinidad born white West Indian cricketer)
    - Mohammed Azharuddin (Muslim former captain of India)
    - Monty Panesar (British born Sikh of Indian decent)
    - Murphy Su'a (New Zealander of Western Samoan decent)

    For the sake of keeping it simple, class all Christian religions together as the catholic-protestant divide in Australia would give a lot of minority players.
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    I believe Ross Taylor is also of Samoan descent.

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    Yousuf before he converted to Islam

    Arguably guys such as Ranji & Duleep as they played before the post WW2 immigration from the former colonies. Obviously there were loads from the ethnic minorities from the early 1980's onwards.

    There were other white WI players of course - when abouts did they become a minority in the side?

    Hashim Amla.
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    Danesh Kaneira (Hindu Pakistan player)
    Yousuf Youhana (then-Christian Pakistan player)
    Andrew Symonds (Black Afro-Caribbean Australia player)


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    For Australia:
    - Eddie Gilbert (Aboriginal fast bowler, known for bowling Don Bradman for a duck, don't think he ever played Test cricket)
    - Andrew Symonds (of Carribean descent, born in England)
    - Brendon Julian (New Zealand-born)
    - Jason Gillespie (Aboriginal descent)
    - Stuart Clark (English-born parents met in India)
    - Len Pascoe (son of Macedonian immigrants)
    - Michael Kasprowicz (Polish descent)
    - Dav Whatmore (Sri Lankan-born)

    For England:
    - Devon Malcolm (Jamaican-born)

    For India:
    - Wasim Jaffer (Muslim)
    - Irfan Pathan (Muslim)

    For New Zealand:
    - Daryl Tuffey (Maori descent)

    For Pakistan:
    - Danish Kaneria (Hindu) - up to recently, Mohammad Yousuf would also fit
    - Anil Dalpat (Hindu + cousin of Danish Kaneria)

    For Sri Lanka:
    - Muttiah Muralitharan (Tamil)

    As for a country like South Africa, one could argue that the majority of the team is, in fact, a racial minority. Religiously speaking, Hashim Amla fits the bill (The 1990's Zimbabwe was in the same position as South Africa, racially speaking).

    As for the West Indians, what constitutes a racial minority? A white person would obviously, but not every country and race which would normally make up the West Indies may be represented to an excessive degree (i.e - the Guyanese). Should they count as a minority?
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    Richard Chee Quee (NSW, Chinese origin)

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    Very difficult to apply this to England since there are so many players from so many minorities.

    Caribbean origin - Malcolm, de Freitas, Slack, Ramprakash, Lewis - the list goes on
    Australians - Mullally, Hollioake x2, Ambrose
    Australian / Ulster - McCague
    Welsh - Tony Lewis, Croft, Watkin, Maynard, etc
    Scottish - Denness
    South African - Strauss, Prior, Lamb, Smith x2, Grieg x2
    Zimbabwean - Hick
    East African father - Pringle
    Indian or Pakistani origin - Ranji, Duleep, Hussain, Habib, Afzaal, Min Patel

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    I believe that Simon Jones is also Welsh.

    Kevin Pietersen is of South African origin.
    Last edited by DaRick; 25-06-2008 at 04:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    I thought this would be an interesting process as well as a test of the maturity of the CW forum.

    What is the All Time World XI made up of people from ethinc/religious etc minorities in their country of origin.

    Examples for consideration would be like
    - Jeff Stollmeyer (Trinidad born white West Indian cricketer)
    - Mohammed Azharuddin (Muslim former captain of India)
    - Monty Panesar (British born Sikh of Indian decent)
    - Murphy Su'a (New Zealander of Western Samoan decent)

    For the sake of keeping it simple, class all Christian religions together as the catholic-protestant divide in Australia would give a lot of minority players.
    Mohammad Yousef would be worthy of consideration before he converted to Islam and Danish Kaneria as well (Hindu IIRC). IIRC Roy Parks was of West Indian decent and Jason Gillespie being of Aboriginal decent.

    Dave John(t?)son of India, Russel Arnold of Sri Lanka, and Jacob Martin of India (played ODIs but no Tests IIRC) can all be included. Not forgetting John Trycios of South Africa and Zimbabwe aswell as Hashim Amla (Muslim and the first South African of Indian decent to play Test cricket for SA).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    South African - Strauss, Prior, Lamb, Smith x2, Grieg x2
    D'Olivera as well of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    I believe Ross Taylor is also of Samoan descent.
    That he is. Neil Maxwell (former NSW batsman, agent of Brett Lee and of Fijian decent as well). How many Irish born cricketers have played for England (for the sake of it we can chuck in guys from Northern Ireland as well)?

    Moises Henriques is another (NSW born and born in Portugal).

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    Ed Joyce - Irishman who played for England in ODI's

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