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  • Kapil Dev

    18 78.26%
  • Javagal Srinath

    12 52.17%
  • Mohammad Nissar

    6 26.09%
  • Amar Singh

    10 43.48%
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Thread: Popular demand poll: 2 new ball bowlers for India All Time Test XI

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    Popular demand poll: 2 new ball bowlers for India All Time Test XI

    On popular demand, this is a poll to select 2 new ball bowlers for India All Time Test XI among 4 bowlers - Kapil Dev, Javagal Srinath, Mohammad Nissar and Amar Singh....Vote for 2 of them...
    Last edited by weldone; 18-06-2008 at 10:41 AM.
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    Nissar and Singh for me. Kapil might open too, but he'll get in as the all rounder/third fast bowler. If a bowler like Srinath makes it in, it would be ridiculous for an all time side. We might as well open with a spinner who'll be useful later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Nissar and Singh for me. Kapil might open too, but he'll get in as the all rounder/third fast bowler.
    Choose the two you think should open the bowling even if they are al-rounders...Others will fight for the 4th bowler spot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    Choose the two you think should open the bowling even if they are al-rounders...Others will fight for the 4th bowler spot...
    Yea, these two would be fine. Kapil will get in later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Nissar and Singh for me. Kapil might open too, but he'll get in as the all rounder/third fast bowler. If a bowler like Srinath makes it in, it would be ridiculous for an all time side. We might as well open with a spinner who'll be useful later on.
    You seem to have unnerving faith in bowlers who you have never seen bowl, bowled on uncovered pitches and bowled in an era of a lack of professionalism having played most of their games in Indian FC cricket which to this day is still quite a low standard in many places. Len Hutton's "There is no better bowler in the world today than Amar Singh,'' quote is invaluable in rating Amar Singh but the reference of 7 Tests is hardly much to make such a bold statement, adding to the fact that it may have been a stretched statement since it was made to the Indian media.

    What makes you so confident of their abilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    You seem to have unnerving faith in bowlers who you have never seen bowl, bowled on uncovered pitches and bowled in an era of a lack of professionalism having played most of their games in Indian FC cricket which to this day is still quite a low standard in many places. Len Hutton's "There is no better bowler in the world today than Amar Singh,'' quote is invaluable in rating Amar Singh but the reference of 7 Tests is hardly much to make such a bold statement, adding to the fact that it may have been a stretched statement since it was made to the Indian media.

    What makes you so confident of their abilities?

    PS: Not doubting their abilities, but questioning how you know of them.
    Amar Singh and Nissar were widely lauded in England, which was the pre-eminent tournament in their time with the best players. Amar played against some of the best players of the time, and did extremely well - he led the county charts for a period, which is very impressive considering a couple of the other names playing at the time.

    Considering the choices we have in this poll, it would be absolutely mind boggling to vote for such comparative trash. It's not that I am saying Amar Singh was Malcolm Marshall, but I do know what Srinath was very clearly, and all time material he is not. Amar Singh should win it on his merits, but compared to Srinath, he should win it just by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Amar Singh and Nissar were widely lauded in England, which was the pre-eminent tournament in their time with the best players. Amar played against some of the best players of the time, and did extremely well - he led the county charts for a period, which is very impressive considering a couple of the other names playing at the time.

    Considering the choices we have in this poll, it would be absolutely mind boggling to vote for such comparative trash. It's not that I am saying Amar Singh was Malcolm Marshall, but I do know what Srinath was very clearly, and all time material he is not. Amar Singh should win it on his merits, but compared to Srinath, he should win it just by default.
    Although I am outright piss poor at hypothetical situations, Srinath had been timed at 150kph on occasions in the mid 1990s, wouldn't this have been absolutely unplayable on the pitches (especially the English ones) of the 1930s?

    No doubt about your above reasoning, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Although I am outright piss poor at hypothetical situations, Srinath had been timed at 150kph on occasions in the mid 1990s, wouldn't this have been absolutely unplayable on the pitches (especially the English ones) of the 1930s?
    No. There were guys that were pretty fast back then. Srinath lacked the variety to trouble the best batsmen on the flat pitches of the era (the 30s were a time of very flat pitches too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    No. There were guys that were pretty fast back then. Srinath lacked the variety to trouble the best batsmen on the flat pitches of the era (the 30s were a time of very flat pitches too).
    Cricinfo lists both at 'fast-medium' which certainly states that there were faster bowlers. Whereas Srinath was medium pace by the end of his career, both Nissar and Singh would be remembered from their prime and clearly, the judgement is that there were faster bowlers in that era. I am intrigued about 'flat pitches of the era', my club does not have any covers and I haven't experienced more than three weeks on the trot of flat pitches, nevermind a decade of mostly flat pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Cricinfo lists both at 'fast-medium' which certainly states that there were faster bowlers.
    Nissar was more express than Singh, but guys like Larwood were definitely faster. I don't really understand what your point is though? What does speed have to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Nissar was more express than Singh, but guys like Larwood were definitely faster. I don't really understand what your point is though? What does speed have to do with this?
    My point is that Srinath's pace would have had the potential to put him in similar esteem on uncovered pitches than Nissar or Singh. Nissar and Singh's comparitively poor economy rates signals that accuracy was neither's strong suit and reports that I have read indicate that their strength was cut and seam, neither of which would have much effect on the large proportion of the wickets of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    My point is that Srinath's pace would have had the potential to put him in similar esteem on uncovered pitches than Nissar or Singh. Nissar and Singh's comparitively poor economy rates signals that accuracy was neither's strong suit and reports that I have read indicate that their strength was cut and seam, neither of which would have much effect on the large proportion of the wickets of today.
    Why don't you vote in this poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    My point is that Srinath's pace would have had the potential to put him in similar esteem on uncovered pitches than Nissar or Singh..
    Why? 150 is nice, but not exceptional, and he only reached that for a very very brief period. He was usually around 140.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Nissar and Singh's comparitively poor economy rates signals that accuracy was neither's strong suit and reports that I have read indicate that their strength was cut and seam, neither of which would have much effect on the large proportion of the wickets of today
    You're always going to get arguments about whose field we play with, whose equipment we play with, and even whose rules we play with. If we play with the enviornment of 1930s, Amar Singh would have it. If we play with the environment of the 90s, Amar Singh would still have it, because Srinath was crap, but it would be closer.

    I hate making generalizations, but I cannot fathom anyone who watched cricket in the 90s voting for Srinath in an all time side. I just can't. He did a job, and did it fine, but this is an all time side, and you're going up aganist other all time sides. Srinath vs. Bradman, and Hobbs and Sobers? I'd rather play an extra batsman or a spinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    Why don't you vote in this poll?
    Trying to form an informed decision with the help of the knowledgable SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Trying to form an informed decision with the help of the knowledgable SS.
    Hmmmm.....

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