Matt79
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Confused me too - I thought you'd finally resorted to debating yourself after exhausting all other comers...You confused me there with my avatar and the multi-coloured sig.
Confused me too - I thought you'd finally resorted to debating yourself after exhausting all other comers...You confused me there with my avatar and the multi-coloured sig.
Definitely ,u would enjoy that .
It is in the table that Wasim's( taking for an example )is better in the last season or in the era of 300 scores ,how would u explain that .The fact that teams end up getting higher totals suggests that batsmen are more often than not getting away with that risk. Plus they aren't really - a risk such as trying to drive at a ball that's not really there is actually alleviated because what would have been a catch at mid-off or cover suddenly goes for a boundary due to modern bats...
Sorry, don't understand the question. Can you be a bit clearer?It is in the table that Wasim's( taking for an example )is better in the last season or in the era of 300 scores ,how would u explain that .
That is his average in the last two years is better than his previous 16 years of ''easy life ''.His average in 2001 -2003 is 21 ,what is the probabilty that it will go down ?
By Migara's assumption ,it should ahve been 25 ,or 27
Economy might change a bit ,still that doesn;t mean that Average will go high as well .It can go high or low .Sorry, don't understand the question. Can you be a bit clearer?
No ,that general argument is wrong ,as it is proved that ,not the same trend with all the bowlers ,plenty of them have better averages in the latter stages ,precisely in the batsman friendly era than in the earlier stages .Mcgrath's average was 23 in 2001 ,however got improved to 21 in the remaining years.Murli's average was 26 ,improved to 20.Then others too.Only if they're taking wickets faster, which I've already pointed out is generally not the case. Next argument?
That happens only with great bowlers. Ordinary bowlers will peak off and then go down. Wasim, Murali and McGrath all are legends. Don't compare tham to ordinary bowlers. Here we are comparing legends to each other.No ,that general argument is wrong ,as it is proved that ,not the same trend with all the bowlers ,plenty of them have better averages in the latter stages ,precisely in the batsman friendly era than in the earlier stages .Mcgrath's average was 23 in 2001 ,however got improved to 21 in the remaining years.Murli's average was 26 ,improved to 20.Then others too.
.How? can you show with data?Only thing that can be ''generalised '' here is economy ,that will go higher thats it .Average and Sr can go either way .
No such generalisation is possible ,thats flawed
That shows in his stats. He would have done mighty better than current lot. No questions about it.Say for example how Hadlee would have done in this era ,who can assume that ? .His econmoy may go higher ,still his wicket takingabilities are similar to Mcgrath or even better .Does that prove anything ?
I have clearly show in the graph. Averages of bowlers are generally on the rise.Economy might change a bit ,still that doesn;t mean that Average will go high as well .It can go high or low .
okay ur saying Murli and Mcgrath are better than Wasim ,fair enough.That happens only with great bowlers. Ordinary bowlers will peak off and then go down. Wasim, Murali and McGrath all are legends. Don't compare tham to ordinary bowlers. Here we are comparing legends to each other.
.How? can you show with data?
That shows in his stats. He would have done mighty better than current lot. No questions about it.
Not with all the bowlers .hence the ''general'' argument is wrong.Thats what i said ,Mcgrath's average before 2001 is poorer than after that .That was my argument when u consider great bowler u can't simply assume based on ''general'' trend . So what is that ? Had Mcgrath retired in 2001 ,u can only consider his average as 23.6 ,actually he improved his statistics after that.I have clearly show in the graph. Averages of bowlers are generally on the rise.
Not with all the bowlers .hence the ''general'' argument is wrong.
Why ? some bowlers have improved their statistics contrary to the general theory .Hence.
Possibly the worst placing of the word "hence" ever. But the fact is, as a 'general rule', bowling averages have increased over the past decade. Yes there are exceptions to the 'general rule' - that's why it is called 'general' and not 'absolute'.Why ? some bowlers have improved their statistics contrary to the general theory .Hence.
Possibly the worst placing of the word "hence" ever. But the fact is, as a 'general rule', bowling averages have increased over the past decade. Yes there are exceptions to the 'general rule' - that's why it is called 'general' and not 'absolute'.
Not even closePossibly the worst placing of the word "hence" ever.
All I say is MacGrath and Murali are not even mentioned when you talk about best ODI bowlers. For me, to my eyes, still Wasim is the best ODI bowler. But, I think, Murali and McGrath were equally effective. Wasim was an artist with he ball, latter two were mechanics.okay ur saying Murli and Mcgrath are better than Wasim ,fair enough.
Please try to understand the scope of the study. This is not to look at each bowler seperately. This is a look taken at he full pack of them. Once again, greats do not have to go with the common trend. They can withstand the trend. Why don't you take look at statsguru, and do some digging about avrage score in ODIs, as well as try to see average SR in ODIs by each year? Then you'll see the trend.Plus ,if u check the statistics of Mcgrath in 90s ,say from 1993-2001 ,his average was 23.6 ,Sr 35 , By ur argument Mcgrath should ahve finished with an average of 25 ,instead that got better in the last 6 years.So claiming that average would have gone up is not that clear .
Not clear what you are talking about. I have not extrapolated anything.As for Wasim his last three seasons was like 18.6 ,22.4,18 ...average and Sr was 30,28,29etc . so the trend was his average and Sr getting better .So how can u conclude that he will do in the next season ? His average in the twilight of his career was 21.
Once again, I am not clear what you ae getting at.how his average and Sr is going to be ? That is Wasim who passed his prime .How he would have done in his prime fully fit . All the three Murli,Mcgrath ,Wasim did well since 2001 than before.