Poll: Openers in India All Time Test XI

[weldone]

Elligibility criteria - minimum 30 innings as opener.

Choose 2 openers from the followings [ Only batting statistics as openers are given]-

V Sehwag 2002-2008 51 84 3 4351 319 53.71 13 10 8
SM Gavaskar 1971-1987 119 203 12 9607 221 50.29 33 42 11
NS Sidhu 1983-1999 45 69 1 2911 201 42.80 8 15 9
MH Mankad 1946-1956 24 40 2 1548 231 40.73 5 4 4
S Ramesh 1999-2001 19 37 1 1367 143 37.97 2 8 3
M Prabhakar 1984-1995 23 30 3 958 120 35.48 1 5 1
SS Das 2000-2002 23 40 2 1326 110 34.89 2 9 3
W Jaffer 2000-2008 31 58 1 1944 212 34.10 5 11 6
ML Jaisimha 1959-1967 26 42 1 1376 129 33.56 2 8 4
FM Engineer 1965-1975 26 48 0 1577 121 32.85 2 9 5
NJ Contractor 1955-1962 29 48 0 1555 108 32.39 1 11 2
CPS Chauhan 1969-1981 39 67 2 2069 97 31.83 0 16 6
P Roy 1951-1960 41 74 4 2220 173 31.71 4 9 14
AD Gaekwad 1976-1985 30 50 3 1441 201 30.65 1 8 3
K Srikkanth 1981-1992 43 72 3 2062 123 29.88 2 12 7

the 1 winner from this poll will get selected automatically...The first runner up in this poll will be pitted against Vijay Merchant in another poll on popular demand to select the second opener...

[sanga1337]

Out of those Gavaskar and Sehwag. But If I was naming an alltime indian team like in the other thread my openers would be Gavaskar and Merchant.

[weldone]

Originally Posted by sanga1337

Out of those Gavaskar and Sehwag. But If I was naming an alltime indian team like in the other thread my openers would be Gavaskar and Merchant.

Had to set up an elligibity criteria for initial screening...Merchant is unlucky not to have played many matches...

[silentstriker]

Vijay Merchant and Sunil Gavaskar.

[weldone]

OK then the 1 winner from this poll gets selected...The first runner up in this poll will be pitted against Vijay Merchant in another poll on popular demand...If everyone is OK with this idea...So, the two openers will be the winner of this poll and one between the first runner-up and Vijay Merchant (decided by another poll)...

Is this idea OK with all?

[archie mac]

Originally Posted by weldone

OK then the 1 winner from this poll gets selected...The first runner up in this poll will be pitted against Vijay Merchant in another poll on popular demand...If everyone is OK with this idea...So, the two openers will be the winner of this poll and one between the first runner-up and Vijay Merchant (decided by another poll)...

Is this idea OK with all?

Can't SS add him to this poll, and put back Sehwag to zero?

[weldone]

Originally Posted by archie mac

Can't SS add him to this poll, and put back Sehwag to zero?

Putting back Sehwag to zero will create a lot of confusion to many voters...Better we'll create another poll after some days...I am sure that won't take any extra time as that poll will run in parallel with the 4th bowler poll and other polls...

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by archie mac

Can't SS add him to this poll, and put back Sehwag to zero?

I only wish....

[weldone]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

I only wish....

Don't worry SS; Merchant, Nissar and Amar all will get a chance against first runner-up of these two polls in a separate poll (on popular demand)...

[Jamee999]

Gavaskar and Sehwag

[ret]

V Sehwag 2002-2008 51 84 3 4351 319 53.71 13 10 8
SM Gavaskar 1971-1987 119 203 12 9607 221 50.29 33 42 11
NS Sidhu 1983-1999 45 69 1 2911 201 42.80 8 15 9
MH Mankad 1946-1956 24 40 2 1548 231 40.73 5 4 4
S Ramesh 1999-2001 19 37 1 1367 143 37.97 2 8 3
M Prabhakar 1984-1995 23 30 3 958 120 35.48 1 5 1
SS Das 2000-2002 23 40 2 1326 110 34.89 2 9 3
W Jaffer 2000-2008 31 58 1 1944 212 34.10 5 11 6
ML Jaisimha 1959-1967 26 42 1 1376 129 33.56 2 8 4
FM Engineer 1965-1975 26 48 0 1577 121 32.85 2 9 5
NJ Contractor 1955-1962 29 48 0 1555 108 32.39 1 11 2
CPS Chauhan 1969-1981 39 67 2 2069 97 31.83 0 16 6
P Roy 1951-1960 41 74 4 2220 173 31.71 4 9 14
AD Gaekwad 1976-1985 30 50 3 1441 201 30.65 1 8 3
K Srikkanth 1981-1992 43 72 3 2062 123 29.88 2 12 7

looking at some of the names up there^, I wonder why would anyone want to trouble himself and go through their stats .... Das, Jaffar, Prabhakar, Ramesh and company in a poll for a place as an opener in an all time Ind X1!!!! give me a break

[weldone]

Originally Posted by ret

looking at some of the names up there^, I wonder why would anyone want to trouble himself and go through their stats .... Das, Jaffar, Prabhakar, Ramesh and company in a poll for a place as an opener in an all time Ind X1!!!! give me a break

There's no harm in providing extra options...If none votes then automatically they become invalid...However, the larger the option pool is given, the better it becomes a 'voters' team' than an 'option provider's team'...That's why not only in openers' poll but also in other polls I have provided with more than sufficient options...Even when some demand some others outside the options like Merchant, Nissar and Amar Singh should have been in contension, I have assured them that those players will also get their chances...

[ret]

Originally Posted by weldone

There's no harm in providing extra options...If none votes then automatically they become invalid...However, the larger the option pool is given, the better it becomes a 'voters' team' than an 'option provider's team'...That's why not only in openers' poll but also in other polls I have provided with more than sufficient options...Even when some demand some others outside the options like Merchant, Nissar and Amar Singh should have been in contension, I have assured them that those players will also get their chances...

someone would say why not list all those who opened for Ind and why set up a 30 innings criteria, why not 20

and why miss out on Shastri, who was one of the successful openers overseas in the early 90s .... you took all the trouble to dig up stats of Das, Jaffar, Prabhakar and Ramesh but missed on on someone like Shastri, who has hit big 100s in places like Australia and Eng from what i recall from the top of my head

[weldone]

Originally Posted by ret

someone would say why not list all those who opened for Ind and why set up a 30 innings criteria, why not 20

and why miss out on Shastri, who was one of the successful openers overseas in the early 90s .... you took all the trouble to dig up stats of Das, Jaffar, Prabhakar and Ramesh but missed on on someone like Shastri, who has hit big 100s in places like Australia and Eng from what i recall from the top of my head

When you set an elligibility criteria, it will always be possible to get a player who doesn't meet the criteria but is better than someone who meets the criteria...unless your elligibility criteria is in the form of a complicated ranking...And if it is in the form of a ranking and you know for sure who are your better players then why bother to have a poll?...

In simpler words, I didn't publish a list of best Indian test openers...I published a list of those players who played enough innings in that position for others to form an opinion about them...We have big enough sample size for these openers to say if they were good or bad...For others the sample size isn't big enough to form a conclusive opinion about them in either way...

[weldone]

I am voting for Engineer to partner Gavaskar because I'll choose him as the wicket-keeper anyway...plus him opening makes an extra slot for a middle-order batsman to come in...