Pietersen's Left Handed Batting Illegal?

GIMH · 15-06-2008, 12:49 PM

Thought I would dig this up, there is a lot of discussion on Sky today about whether or not the reverse sweep should be legal. I know CWers have been against it in the past, what do we think today?

Jono · 15-06-2008, 12:53 PM

It shouldn't be illegal IMO (its great viewing, why make illegal something that fans are naturally intrigued by?), but what should happen is that a bowler shouldn't be penalised with a wide if the batsman misses it.

Chappelli's been backing that change of rule for a while now.

Neil Pickup · 15-06-2008, 12:59 PM

... in that the strict leg-side application of "wide" shouldn't apply, or that it shouldn't be wide at all?

How would you make a shot illegal anyway? There's no precedent!

Jono · 15-06-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

... in that the strict leg-side application of "wide" shouldn't apply, or that it shouldn't be wide at all?

Yep sorry leg-side application. Should have made that clear.

So if you fire it down leg if you see them changing their stance for a reverse sweep, and it now sort of becomes their 'off side', and they miss it, that's the sacrifice they make for changing their stance.

BoyBrumby · 15-06-2008, 01:10 PM

Sort of agree with Holding that it does seem unfair to the bowler. KP wasn't reverse sweeping today, he was actually playing as a left-hander. Amazing talent, obv.

The LBW law to be applied for the stance the shot is played in rather than the stance when the bowler began his run, anyone?

Neil Pickup · 15-06-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Sort of agree with Holding that it does seem unfair to the bowler. KP wasn't reverse sweeping today, he was actually playing as a left-hander. Amazing talent, obv.

The LBW law to be applied for the stance the shot is played in rather than the stance when the bowler began his run, anyone?

Surely more often than not that will lead to it pitching outside the "new" leg stump, though?

BoyBrumby · 15-06-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

Surely more often than not that will lead to it pitching outside the "new" leg stump, though?

Hmm, true, unless the bowler's had time to adjust I suppose & most of the time the switch is so late he won't. Considering LBW for both stances seems unfair on the batsman.

cover drive man · 15-06-2008, 01:27 PM

Like many things in life looks very nice but is quite dangerous to do.

No Voltman!

Mr Mxyzptlk · 15-06-2008, 02:06 PM

I love playing the reverse sweep, particularly against seam bowlers. Well, more of a reverse deflection than a sweep, but the same intent. Usually legside fields are set for me (even though I'm a weaker legside player

) so I just try to toy with the field when the ball is on or outside offstump.

That said, the last time I played it (on Tuesday) it was totally premeditated and the ball ballooned off my glove to the 'keeper. Was pretty embarrassing.

PhoenixFire · 15-06-2008, 02:11 PM

As I can't even play the normal sweep shot, the chance of me ever even bothering to try it in the nets is pretty much 0.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 15-06-2008, 02:16 PM

I used to love the sweep shot too, but due to lack of cricket in general, I've become pretty shocking at it. Now if I play it, it's a paddle sweep to the quicker bowlers, using the pace of the ball. Came in pretty handy when I played some T20 wind ball cricket a couple of years ago.

Lillian Thomson · 15-06-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Thought I would dig this up, there is a lot of discussion on Sky today about whether or not the reverse sweep should be legal. I know CWers have been against it in the past, what do we think today?

Who on Earth was discussing whether it should be legal?

The shot is obviously fraught with danger as it's often pre-meditated.

GIMH · 15-06-2008, 03:06 PM

The Sky commentary team

Mr Mxyzptlk · 15-06-2008, 03:10 PM

You can't start regulating shots like that, or else you'll kill improvisation and creativity in general.

GIMH · 15-06-2008, 03:15 PM

FWIW I love the reverse sweep, just trying to get some discussion going tbh

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Mr Mxyzptlk Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad) Posts: 36,795	I used to love the sweep shot too, but due to lack of cricket in general, I've become pretty shocking at it. Now if I play it, it's a paddle sweep to the quicker bowlers, using the pace of the ball. Came in pretty handy when I played some T20 wind ball cricket a couple of years ago.

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Mr Mxyzptlk Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Trinidad and Tobago (Trinidad) Posts: 36,795	You can't start regulating shots like that, or else you'll kill improvisation and creativity in general.

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GIMH Eternal Optimist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shake my tree where's the apple for me? Posts: 43,611	FWIW I love the reverse sweep, just trying to get some discussion going tbh

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