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Anthony McGrath??????

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
luckyeddie said:
Hit the nail on the head there, marc. Bit of a masterstroke by Fletcher - credit where credit's due.
Or it would be if McGrath was picked as a batsman, but he's not, he's picked as an all-rounder and even Mark Butcher is bowling ahead of him at the moment. Good innings, Fletcher seems to stand by the rule of "underachiever in county cricket = International star"

Oddly quite a few people who do perform have not been successes, Ward is proof. But maybe not many are successes because not many are picked and given a go?
 
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Mr Mxyzptlk

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Rik said:
Or it would be if McGrath was picked as a batsman, but he's not, he's picked as an all-rounder and even Mark Butcher is bowling ahead of him at the moment.
Unless they secretly intended for this scenario all along. They told the press that McGrath was the 5th bowler but the real 5th bowler was Buthcer (their secret weapon) and McGrath was drafted in as a batsman. Perhaps.......unlikely but perhaps......
 

Rik

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Unless they secretly intended for this scenario all along. They told the press that McGrath was the 5th bowler but the real 5th bowler was Buthcer (their secret weapon) and McGrath was drafted in as a batsman. Perhaps.......unlikely but perhaps......
If cricket was a Bond movie...:lol:
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
luckyeddie said:
Hit the nail on the head there, marc. Bit of a masterstroke by Fletcher - credit where credit's due.
Won't go overboard just yet, but Fletcher does have this habit at looking beyond the figures when he looks for players, and as with others, this is one of those cases.

He's realised that there's an entirely different way to score runs in Tests then there is in County Cricket, and picks players accordingly.
 

Neil Pickup

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Rik said:
Or it would be if McGrath was picked as a batsman, but he's not, he's picked as an all-rounder and even Mark Butcher is bowling ahead of him at the moment. Good innings, Fletcher seems to stand by the rule of "underachiever in county cricket = International star"
Butcher bowled ahead of McGrath because Hoggard was swinging it and Butcher swings it more than McGrath does - and this was justified by Butcher's 5-2-8-1 removing Ebrahim on 68.

Does that also apply to Ashley Giles? Mark Butcher bowled ahead of him, too...
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Neil Pickup said:
Does that also apply to Ashley Giles? Mark Butcher bowled ahead of him, too...
Nope it doesn't, because McGrath bowls swing and did not bowl in swing friendly conditions. Giles is in there as the spinning option, rarely will a team go into a match without a spinner, whatever the conditions. Giles is there for the last few days when the pitch cracks. He might not be required too much but it makes sense to pick him. Picking a swing bowler then bowling a part-timer in his place does not.
 

Neil Pickup

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Rik said:
Nope it doesn't, because McGrath bowls swing and did not bowl in swing friendly conditions. Giles is in there as the spinning option, rarely will a team go into a match without a spinner, whatever the conditions. Giles is there for the last few days when the pitch cracks. He might not be required too much but it makes sense to pick him. Picking a swing bowler then bowling a part-timer in his place does not.
Butcher swings it more than McGrath, therefore was more suitable for a short spell whilst resting the three main seamers, that was the point...
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Neil Pickup said:
Butcher swings it more than McGrath, therefore was more suitable for a short spell whilst resting the three main seamers, that was the point...
So what was the point in picking McGrath at all then?
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
To get 69 well played runs.
When England were cruising along. If he's not going to bowl then why claim he will? If your going to pick a batsman why not pick a younger player and give him the luxury of a pressure-free debut? The runs were nice but I feel this is just a wasted selection.
 

Rich2001

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Rik said:
When England were cruising along. If he's not going to bowl then why claim he will? If your going to pick a batsman why not pick a younger player and give him the luxury of a pressure-free debut? The runs were nice but I feel this is just a wasted selection.
Ok I said to Bazza on MSN yesterday, why the age thing in Tests? Ok ODI i understand your building for the next major comp... you don't want to get there and 7 players retire, but Tests are completly differnet your not playing for anything as such just the next series and now that every test counts towards the Tests rankings you want to field the best side, so why does it matter if one guy is slightly older.. and I think Mcgrath is about 27.. Ok say 28 at worse, 7-8 years still only makes him 5 years younger than Stewy at 35. And all the claim why can't Troughton play instead, his only like 2 years younger than Mcgrath anyway.


7-8 years (if he lasts), iam sure there will be heaps of talent been and gone, and new talent around to take over, it's not like he has been picked at 35 and will retire stright after this test!
 

Neil Pickup

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McGrath is 27, around the same age as Vaughan and Trescothick.

THIRTEEN years younger than Stewart (40).

McGrath was picked as a seventh batsman with bowling as an extra string if required. Hasn't been needed yet...
 

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Neil Pickup said:
McGrath is 27, around the same age as Vaughan and Trescothick.

THIRTEEN years younger than Stewart (40).

McGrath was picked as a seventh batsman with bowling as an extra string if required. Hasn't been needed yet...
Good point too.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Neil Pickup said:
McGrath is 27, around the same age as Vaughan and Trescothick.

THIRTEEN years younger than Stewart (40).

McGrath was picked as a seventh batsman with bowling as an extra string if required. Hasn't been needed yet...
One could argue he hasn't been needed at all.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Rik said:
One could argue he hasn't been needed at all.
One COULD argue that, but equally one COULD argue that we haven't thus far needed a spinner. The fact that England rolled Zimbabwe over so comprehensively in the first innings helped a great deal.

What if we hadn't? What if Nasser's 'hunches' hadn't paid off so handsomely? What if Butcher had bowled a whole series of half-trackers?

Who'd have thought that Butcher would have been so successful with the ball anyway?

Nice to have a few options available to you.
 

PY

International Coach
Rich2001 said:
Ok I said to Bazza on MSN yesterday, why the age thing in Tests? Ok ODI i understand your building for the next major comp... you don't want to get there and 7 players retire, but Tests are completly differnet your not playing for anything as such just the next series and now that every test counts towards the Tests rankings you want to field the best side, so why does it matter if one guy is slightly older..
I think it is because everyone is building towards trying to beat the Australians especially us with the Ashes. We have to aim towards next series. If a team plays together for a longer period of time then there may be a team spirit, know each others' games inside out. For example, Tresco and Vaughan know each other games and so don't have to call for quick singles. However it may not such a big thing but it is still a factor.
 

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45.3 McGrath to Taibu, OUT: full and wide, and Taibu launches into the
drive, the ball shapes away down the slope and is sliced to
Butcher - whom one cannot keep out of this test - at slip

Zimbabwe 128/4, Partnership of 33
T Taibu c Butcher b McGrath 17 (49b 2x4 0x6)
GW Flower 16* (55b 3x4) A McGrath 2.3-0-4-1

Antony McGrath's first Testwicket!
 

Neil Pickup

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45.6 McGrath to Ervine, OUT: McGrath takes another! length ball angled across Ervine, and the batsman just helps that along rather than edges it to Trescothick at first slip

Zimbabwe 132/5, Partnership of 4
SM Ervine c Trescothick b McGrath 4 (3b 0x4 0x6)
 

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45.6 McGrath to Ervine, OUT: McGrath takes another! length ball angled
across Ervine, and the batsman just helps that along rather than
edges it to Trescothick at first slip

Zimbabwe 132/5, Partnership of 4
SM Ervine c Trescothick b McGrath 4 (3b 0x4 0x6)
 

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