The World Cup that England won!

Dissector · 06-06-2008, 02:24 PM

I admit I have never heard of it before but it was the Rothman's World Cricket Cup in 1966.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...HERS+ICC/RWCC/

The format is a bit on the weird side but England won both their games making them champions.

Has any other team become world champions in just 4 days?

Richard · 06-06-2008, 02:33 PM

WoW, 50-over cricket as far back as 1966. No, had never heard of that either.

stumpski · 07-06-2008, 02:17 AM

Pretty strong England side there. Interesting to see Ted Dexter as he didn't play a single Test that year (or any between 1965 and '68).

South Africa and Australia also played a 50 overs match with full-strength sides on the 1966-67 tour - has a good case to be considered the first one-day international I'd have thought.

NUFAN · 07-06-2008, 02:27 AM

I prefer the 11 overs per bowler rather then the 10 we have now.

Just so you can pick 4 specialist bowlers and just go with 6 overs from the part timers..

NUFAN · 07-06-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by stumpski

Pretty strong England side there. Interesting to see Ted Dexter as he didn't play a single Test that year (or any between 1965 and '68).

South Africa and Australia also played a 50 overs match with full-strength sides on the 1966-67 tour - has a good case to be considered the first one-day international I'd have thought.

What an awesome match.

Would love to have seen Pollock's knock.

Wonder how fast Lawry batted, must have been at a pretty good rate.

BoyBrumby · 07-06-2008, 03:59 AM

66 a good year for English world champions, clearly.

Dissector · 07-06-2008, 10:32 AM

The averages for the tournament make for interesting reading; in their two games none of the England batsmen scored 50's but three of their bowlers averaged under 10. This is the kind of world cup even Silentstriker would have liked.

Of the three games the one between ROW and WI reads most like a modern ODI. The Windies scored 254 and the ROW fell short by 18 at the end of their 50 overs. It would have been fascinating to watch players like Hanif Mohammed and Wes Hall play this kind of game.

And yes, that 1967 game between SA and Aus is absolutely amazing; it's hard to believe that a successful 300+ chase in 50 overs was achieved more than 40 years ago.

Burgey · 09-06-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stumpski

Pretty strong England side there. Interesting to see Ted Dexter as he didn't play a single Test that year (or any between 1965 and '68).

South Africa and Australia also played a 50 overs match with full-strength sides on the 1966-67 tour - has a good case to be considered the first one-day international I'd have thought.

Gawd, scoring 320+ and getting run dwn in a one dayer - in 1967!!!!

What a great piece of cricketing trivia that is.

Dissector · 10-06-2008, 12:13 AM

Interestingly this game was also at the Wanderers Stadium in Joburg, yet I don't remember anyone mentioning it after that 400+ game. I am sure Lawry and Richards would remember the 1967 game but I don't think either of them were commentators.

Arguably given its time this chase is even more remarkable than the later one. Certainly you can make a strong case that these are the two greatest chases in limited-overs history.

Richard · 10-06-2008, 06:39 AM

Now here are maybe a handful of games with a case for being retrospecively given ODI status.

Dissector · 16-05-2010, 11:19 PM

Thought this was a good time to resurrect this thread. I was about to write a quip about how in the good old days England could win without South Africans when I realized they had one in this team as well !

Lesson: England will always need a South African to win a world trophy.

Faisal1985 · 18-05-2010, 10:33 AM

TBH, its really good for Cricket that England won a world title after a long time (or may be first time?). The reason its good for cricket is because, the younger generations of England seem to be sort of away or isolating themselves from Cricket. I mean other then Broad, not a lot of young talent seems to come in, with a win like this, it brings those who estranged themselves from Cricket might be back to support it. And this is barring the Subcontinent communities in England...Cricket needs more support from other communities as well.

slippyslip · 18-05-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Now here are maybe a handful of games with a case for being retrospecively given ODI status.

ICC would be reluctant to give ODI status to games involving South Africa during apartheid era.

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Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,101	The World Cup that England won! I admit I have never heard of it before but it was the Rothman's World Cricket Cup in 1966. http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...HERS+ICC/RWCC/ The format is a bit on the weird side but England won both their games making them champions. Has any other team become world champions in just 4 days?

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07-06-2008, 02:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
stumpski Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Medway valley Posts: 5,263	Pretty strong England side there. Interesting to see Ted Dexter as he didn't play a single Test that year (or any between 1965 and '68). South Africa and Australia also played a 50 overs match with full-strength sides on the 1966-67 tour - has a good case to be considered the first one-day international I'd have thought.

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Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,101	The averages for the tournament make for interesting reading; in their two games none of the England batsmen scored 50's but three of their bowlers averaged under 10. This is the kind of world cup even Silentstriker would have liked. Of the three games the one between ROW and WI reads most like a modern ODI. The Windies scored 254 and the ROW fell short by 18 at the end of their 50 overs. It would have been fascinating to watch players like Hanif Mohammed and Wes Hall play this kind of game. And yes, that 1967 game between SA and Aus is absolutely amazing; it's hard to believe that a successful 300+ chase in 50 overs was achieved more than 40 years ago.

10-06-2008, 12:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,101	Interestingly this game was also at the Wanderers Stadium in Joburg, yet I don't remember anyone mentioning it after that 400+ game. I am sure Lawry and Richards would remember the 1967 game but I don't think either of them were commentators. Arguably given its time this chase is even more remarkable than the later one. Certainly you can make a strong case that these are the two greatest chases in limited-overs history.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Now here are maybe a handful of games with a case for being retrospecively given ODI status.

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Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,101	Thought this was a good time to resurrect this thread. I was about to write a quip about how in the good old days England could win without South Africans when I realized they had one in this team as well ! Lesson: England will always need a South African to win a world trophy.

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