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About LinkBacksYou mean despite the fact that it's knockout stage and usually better teams?Originally Posted by silentstriker
You mean despite the fact that it's knockout stage and usually better teams?
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So what if the game before the quarterfinals is a must win for the team?You mean despite the fact that it's knockout stage and usually better teams?
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Huh? We're talking about someone who managed the greatest all-round feat in ODI in a world cup. If that doesn't merit recognition then nothing does.
and if it's a good team? I can't see why not.
Yes I can. I can make whatever criteria I like. From now on In my discussions with your ilk I will judge him solely on his performance in the semis of world cup.
That's fine. I really couldn't care less what your criteria is. But as long as you make it known at least it is transparent. Maybe if Gilchrist played Kenya in the semis he too would average better
It should be said that I consider Tendulkar just as good if not better than the players mentioned. Just playing the devil's advocate and showing the other side has a point.
Are you guy seriously claiming that because of one innings, the career of a batsman who has batted four-hundred and seven times in ODIs is significantly poorer?
Or something.
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I think some are saying that figures wise, someone like Ponting/Gilchrist is up there with Tendulkar yet also did well in finals.
This arguement of considering only WC finals just doesn't hold water..would any of you say the CB series final was insignificant?? well, if you do that reflects your bias.So when people point out his records in ODI finals don't be such a hurry to write em off..I'm sure plenty of other finals are of note the famous 98 Sharjah inning comes to mind.
viv for me, by not much over sachin, bevan would be a distant third...
Krish Srikkanth scored more than Sachin in a WC final.. In fact, he scored more than Viv and Lloyd in that very WC final. He is obviously the greatest ODI batsman ever.
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well.........i m a gr8 fan of jonty rhodes (as my name suggests)...
he was definitely south africa's best batsman during his time........
& no comments on his fielding....
how could u rate klusener and cronje better batsmen than rhodes..???????/
Ok, seriously, it is getting ridiculous now. I can see Kazo has some semblance of a point but Social is juz being Social again, I guess.
I don't need to see any numbers to decide that Sachin is the best ODI batsman I have seen (haven't seen Viv except in footages, not good enough to comment on him). The holes he had in his ODI records were his lack of centuries in Australia (and RSA, and he is yet to score 1 there against them I believe) and his comparatively poor performance when chasing down targets. And in the recent CB series, he batted like a dream and showed that he could do all that too.
As I had posted in the CB series thread itself, he showed that he could do what you expect of an opener (a Gilchrist, an Anwar, a Jayasuriya) but also he could do something that the others do much less often... Carry on and finish or almost finish the game. The job that Bevan did.. He showed that he had the genius and hitting ability of the other openers I mentioned but he also had the know-how and the skills of a finisher. I don't really see how any other "modern" ODI batsman could have been any better than him. And tell me now, if it is Ind Vs Aus in the 2011 WC final and Sachin scores a big 140+ and Ponting gets out for a golden duck, would that put Ponting down the pecking order?
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