View Poll Results: Where does Sydney Barnes rank?

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  • Best bowler ever

    10 18.52%
  • Top 5

    12 22.22%
  • Top 10

    6 11.11%
  • Over-rated, because of when he played

    5 9.26%
  • Too hard to judge

    15 27.78%
  • GIMH

    6 11.11%
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Thread: Lets end it: Sydney Barnes

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    Lets end it: Sydney Barnes

    A look at his record is superb, but then conditions where sooooooooooooo much different to what they are now. Some on here have claimed him to be best or one of the best bowlers ever. So let's settle it for once and for all, is he the best bowler ever or indeed top 5 or 10? Or a very lucky bowler who took advantage of helpful pitch conditions (he did play on matting at some point) but not that good? Or we can't be sure because he finished his FC career in 1930 and then cricket changed even more.

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    I expected to be voting to euthanase someone.
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    No doubt in my mind. I said it elsewhere, but I find it a real shame that Barnes did not come accross early in his career an understanding captain who realised he was special and was willing to bend over backwards to ensure he achieved what he was capable of.

    Had he done that, and debuted in First-Class cricket at the normal sort of age (21-22) then played Test cricket and for a major county for the next 20 years, playing 40 or 50 Tests, I'm totally confident he'd have as unequivocal a case for being the greatest bowler as Bradman has with the bat.

    It's not like Barnes was a 19th-century bowler. Since the turn of the 20th-century, no bowler has even really come close to achieving figures like his, and nor is it surprising given how we know from testimonies that he bowled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    I expected to be voting to euthanase someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    I expected to be voting to euthanase someone.
    Is euthanase a transitive verb? Is euthanase even a verb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    Is euthanase a transitive verb? Is euthanase even a verb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    No doubt in my mind. I said it elsewhere, but I find it a real shame that Barnes did not come accross early in his career an understanding captain who realised he was special and was willing to bend over backwards to ensure he achieved what he was capable of.
    Yeah that whole "no 'i' in 'team'" stuff gets in the way, don't it?
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    Specialists willing to euthanase sick babies: survey. Posted February 7, 2007 09:10:00 Updated February 7, 2007 10:24:00. A survey of neonatal specialists ...ABC NEWS
    Proof right there! Although it isn't in the dictionary and is actually euthanise...I'm going with the reputable reporting source!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Yeah that whole "no 'i' in 'team'" stuff gets in the way, don't it?
    There is a 'me' in team though if you do a bit of rearranging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Yeah that whole "no 'i' in 'team'" stuff gets in the way, don't it?
    Barnes was not selfish, merely ahead of his time. He simply wished to be treated for what he was worth, not as an inferior.

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    Indeed he was ahead of his time. To the extent that I believe he merely bowled quick cutters on pitches which were infinately helpful to him and batsmen who had never experienced such bowling.
    The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Indeed he was ahead of his time. To the extent that I believe he merely bowled quick cutters on pitches which were infinately helpful to him and batsmen who had never experienced such bowling.
    He was still dismissing good batsman in his 60s
    You know it makes sense.

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    It's hard to tell exactly what he was. I do think he was a bit overrated, however. His career coincided with some of the lowest batting averages in history. That's what I know, if there is reasoning behind this I'd love the background knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    His career coincided with some of the lowest batting averages in history.
    One of the reasons for said low averages was himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    He was still dismissing good batsman in his 60s
    'Good' on what basis. Good in being able to negotiate the bowlers of the times who skills were presumably limited due to any lack of standardised coaching. Barnes was very different to any bowler of his time and so a batsman being 'good' can become slightly moot.

    (PS: Wow, dismissing batsman in his 60s, pretty impressive)

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