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10 | 18.52% |
| Top 5 |
  
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12 | 22.22% |
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6 | 11.11% |
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5 | 9.26% |
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15 | 27.78% |
| GIMH |
  
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6 | 11.11% |
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27-05-2008, 02:56 AM
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Lets end it: Sydney Barnes
A look at his record is superb, but then conditions where sooooooooooooo much different to what they are now. Some on here have claimed him to be best or one of the best bowlers ever. So let's settle it for once and for all, is he the best bowler ever or indeed top 5 or 10? Or a very lucky bowler who took advantage of helpful pitch conditions (he did play on matting at some point) but not that good? Or we can't be sure because he finished his FC career in 1930 and then cricket changed even more.
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27-05-2008, 02:59 AM
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I expected to be voting to euthanase someone.
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27-05-2008, 02:59 AM
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No doubt in my mind. I said it elsewhere, but I find it a real shame that Barnes did not come accross early in his career an understanding captain who realised he was special and was willing to bend over backwards to ensure he achieved what he was capable of.
Had he done that, and debuted in First-Class cricket at the normal sort of age (21-22) then played Test cricket and for a major county for the next 20 years, playing 40 or 50 Tests, I'm totally confident he'd have as unequivocal a case for being the greatest bowler as Bradman has with the bat. It's not like Barnes was a 19th-century bowler. Since the turn of the 20th-century, no bowler has even really come close to achieving figures like his, and nor is it surprising given how we know from testimonies that he bowled.
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27-05-2008, 03:02 AM
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27-05-2008, 03:17 AM
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Indeed he was ahead of his time. To the extent that I believe he merely bowled quick cutters on pitches which were infinately helpful to him and batsmen who had never experienced such bowling.
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27-05-2008, 03:22 AM
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27-05-2008, 03:23 AM
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It's hard to tell exactly what he was. I do think he was a bit overrated, however. His career coincided with some of the lowest batting averages in history. That's what I know, if there is reasoning behind this I'd love the background knowledge.
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27-05-2008, 03:40 AM
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