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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    So basically you are saying because their domestic records aren't fantastic nothing you have seen of them suggest they would make competent ODI players.
    I'm saying that their long-term domestic records are far more important than the fact I might have once or twice seen them bowl well. Because though I happened to catch 2 occasions when they bowled well, the majority of time things have been different.
    Yes he went around the park, but never once while he was bowling it seemed to me if he if weren't for the situation in SA he wouldn't make a good ODI bowler. AFAIC he just ran into a Aussie batting line-up in tremendous form, i can't believe this is a debate you are way too picky this is a man that would make almost every ODI in the world ATM.
    Not even close. If he did, he'd get slapped round the park and wouldn't be in such a side for very long. It's not like van der Wath only got hit by Australia - he went around the park against everyone he bowled at.
    During the 2005/06 season SA's best ODI was something like:

    Smith
    Dippenaar
    Kallis
    Gibbs
    De Villiers
    Kemp
    Boucher
    Pollock
    Hall
    Ntini
    Nel/Boje/VDW/Botha

    Nel's place rotated around with those blokes, VDW i believe was flown to AUS as a replacement for someone came on to bowl during a super-sub & bowled well in a game at the MCG, and as i just said just ran into some power Aussie bats, but never looked out of his depth.

    Klusener haha, he was by no means in SA's reckoning back then. Surely you know that
    Maybe he wasn't, but he should've been if van der Wath was - he's always been a far better cricketer than van der Wath in the one-day game and that remains the case even now. I can't believe anyone can suggest van der Wath is fit to lace Klusener's boots as a batsman and while Klusener's bowling has been disappointing for years, it's not like van der Wath's has ever been much better.
    Not really. A new player could suddenly find form before the WC & have a great tournament. Look at AUS Martyn left the crucial #4 spot 6 months prior to the WC & Clarke came up & well the rest is history.

    No need to do a ENG like in 99 when Stewart was rendered useless since they felt he was too old then 4 years later he was a crucial member. Fact is you need to build momentum for the WC as well & even if a man may not last until the WC, Hall would do a huge job for SA not if Kolpaks weren't in place.
    So you're saying that it's preferable to hope that things click into place rather than giving maximum chance for them to be put into place? No, I prefer to play percentages myself.

    Stewart, BTW, always felt himself capable of playing to 2003 - and sure enough, he did. However, after that one he abdicated himself, because this time he knew that his time was done in ODIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I'm saying that their long-term domestic records are far more important than the fact I might have once or twice seen them bowl well. Because though I happened to catch 2 occasions when they bowled well, the majority of time things have been different.

    Not even close. If he did, he'd get slapped round the park and wouldn't be in such a side for very long. It's not like van der Wath only got hit by Australia - he went around the park against everyone he bowled at.

    Maybe he wasn't, but he should've been if van der Wath was - he's always been a far better cricketer than van der Wath in the one-day game and that remains the case even now. I can't believe anyone can suggest van der Wath is fit to lace Klusener's boots as a batsman and while Klusener's bowling has been disappointing for years, it's not like van der Wath's has ever been much better.

    So you're saying that it's preferable to hope that things click into place rather than giving maximum chance for them to be put into place? No, I prefer to play percentages myself.

    Stewart, BTW, always felt himself capable of playing to 2003 - and sure enough, he did. However, after that one he abdicated himself, because this time he knew that his time was done in ODIs.
    Van Der Wath is in england now under the kolpak ruling. And he was a good batsman but crap bowler

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    Strange that you'd dig this thread to post that, as I (and I imagine most people) are well aware of the fact van der Wath has been playing over here in the previous season. Also, his batting is no more than decent lower-order stuff, he's never going to be a specialist batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Strange that you'd dig this thread to post that, as I (and I imagine most people) are well aware of the fact van der Wath has been playing over here in the previous season. Also, his batting is no more than decent lower-order stuff, he's never going to be a specialist batsman.
    Gees ... sorry richard I was just trying to join into a conversation I didn't deserve to be spoken to like that. Obviously you shouldn,t be a moderator if you speak like that


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    South Africa would kill for van der Wath at the moment. Good bowler for mine, swings the ball at pace and is an excellent death bowler. Unlucky not to earn many more caps. ****s on the likes of Johan Louw...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grapedo View Post
    Gees ... sorry richard I was just trying to join into a conversation I didn't deserve to be spoken to like that. Obviously you shouldn,t be a moderator if you speak like that
    I'm not a moderator. I don't think I was "speaking like that" either really TBH. As for joining in a discussion, it's just a bit strange for someone with 50-odd posts to be digging a thread that hasn't been posted in for 3 months to say that. If it was a thread whose last post was a week ago, less odd.



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