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    Trumper vs Hill

    Yes, a question that has always fascinated me beyond almost all others. I confess I'm not particularly well-versed on the legend of Victor Trumper (though Bradman's devoted haters clung steadfastly to the idea that Trumper was better than he) but Clem Hill's dominance of the game has always been something that's hugely impressed me.

    As well as giving people the chance to say who they think was better, it'd be good to hear some more of probably the first two indisputably top-class Australian batsmen. Certainly the first of the 20th-century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Yes, a question that has always fascinated me beyond almost all others. I confess I'm not particularly well-versed on the legend of Victor Trumper (though Bradman's devoted haters clung steadfastly to the idea that Trumper was better than he) but Clem Hill's dominance of the game has always been something that's hugely impressed me.

    As well as giving people the chance to say who they think was better, it'd be good to hear some more of probably the first two indisputably top-class Australian batsmen. Certainly the first of the 20th-century.
    As some know I am currently researching a book on Clem Hill, and one of the chapters (first one I am writing atm), is a comparison between these two greats.

    Clem once said 'as a batsman I am not fit to lick Vics boots'

    So I will vote for Trumper here, but for a period Clem was the best Aussie bat, he lost a little towards the end of his career, but then so did Trumper
    You know it makes sense.

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    Trumper was probably the best, but Hill gave him oppositon IMO.
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    I think in favour of Trumper and my reasons are simple and twofold.


    One - so many have written of Trumper being the greatest Australian batsman till Bradman came on the scene. Soooo many. I dont remember similar sentiments expressed about Hill. There has to be a reason for so many who saw them and played with or against to put one on such a higher pedestal.

    Two - the few photographs that are available of the two show Trumper as very classy and elegant and Hill as somewhat ungainly and awkward. This affects my bias towards technical orthodoxy


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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Two - the few photographs that are available of the two show Trumper as very classy and elegant and Hill as somewhat ungainly and awkward. This affects my bias towards technical orthodoxy
    Not that this necessarily contradicts the above, but wasn't Trumper the one who played a sort of slog-sweep quite frequently? He was nicknamed "The Croucher" or something, am I right?
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    Can't say, never saw either of them play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isolator View Post
    Not that this necessarily contradicts the above, but wasn't Trumper the one who played a sort of slog-sweep quite frequently? He was nicknamed "The Croucher" or something, am I right?
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    Trumper, but not by a whole lot you'd think. Hill is one of our finest cricketers, without a doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Can't say, never saw either of them play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Clem once said 'as a batsman I am not fit to lick Vics boots'
    Comments like that are so frustrating, if they don't come along with explanations as to why the player believes himself inferior to his fellow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Comments like that are so frustrating, if they don't come along with explanations as to why the player believes himself inferior to his fellow.
    It's known as modesty (anyone being cynical might contend that that's why you didn't recognise it.)

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    Modesty can mean dishonesty, however, and the latter is worse than the former as it misleads others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Modesty can mean dishonesty, however, and the latter is worse than the former as it misleads others.
    but not always. like beauty, this assessment is also in the eye of the beholder. being a great bat himself, clem must have known the nuances of his craft better than others and probably appreciated victor's mastery wholeheartedly. i will give him his due and take this as a reflection of his modesty. (at the turn of the last century a famous indian writer, bankim chandra IIRC, was told by one of his peers that he appreciated chandra's writing a lot. he added that he always wondered why an inferior writer like tagore (the nobel laureate) was appreciated more than him by others. chandra replied that it could be because he wrote for inferior writers like him while tagore catered to readers of chandra's caliber)

    i would vote for trumper. this poll must be similar to lara vs sachin threads we are so familiar with. two absolute masters of a craft just one of them more stylish than the other.

    arthur mailey's article and the anecdote about the bat sponsorship have certainly made trumper immortal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
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    Ah right, realized that later. I vote for him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    but not always. like beauty, this assessment is also in the eye of the beholder. being a great bat himself, clem must have known the nuances of his craft better than others and probably appreciated victor's mastery wholeheartedly.
    That's fine (if true - not saying it neccessarily is) but it's not because of modesty that Hill would think such a thing - it's because of his ability to offer honest assessment.
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