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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    Gundappa Vishwanath surely belongs to the list.

    Tiger Pataudi always seems rated quite highly compared to his very ordinary stats; I don't know if it is justified or not.
    Pataudi was injured in an accident that also involved the highly gifted Collie Smith (who died in that accident) and Garfield Sobers. One has seen accounts where Pataudi is refered to being as gifted as young batsman as the other two. Very high praise indeed.

    Pataudi lost his right eye (most of the vision in it) in that accident. The fact that he came back to play international sport is a near miracle for any ball 7 bat/racket game. Most people who saw him as a youngster agree that but for his terrible handicap he would have been an all time great.

    Pataudi has mentioned, in talking of how the accident affected him by telling that he could not light a cigarette properly either missing the end or lighting it in the middle. The two eyes give us the perspective of distance which is completely lost with one eye.

    His partial but badly damaged vision in the right eye made it very difficult when he was trying to come back. He has mentioned that he would see two balls when batting and with trial and error he found that the inner ball (the image which his left eye was projecting) was the one to play. Then he decided to pull his cap over his right eye as keeping one eye closed while batting wasn't easy. He ruled out wearing an eye patch because he did not like it !

    It still left the problem of judging how far the ball was from him during its flight from bowlers hand towards him. That this is a huge handicap is so obvious from seeing what a potent weapon a slower delivery is. His average and his test centuries are a huge achievement in the context of his injury.

    By the way, he was one of the greatest fielders at covers/cover point the world has ever seen.

    There was a fielding exhibition organised at Lord's in the sixties which was to feature both Pataudi an Colin Bland. Pataudi could not finally make it due to some other engagements. Bland thrilled the crowds by knocking down the six stumps at the two ends of the wicket with just seven fast and furious throws from the boundary. The one ball that missed did not miss by more than a few inches.

    The fact that Pataudi was thought to be good enough to have a competition between him and the remarkable Bland is testimony to his great caliber.

    By the way, Bland's exhibition that day gives a lie to the impression that good fielders are something very recent. What has happened, however, is that bad fielders are not tolerated as they were then if they were good in their other speciality so overall standards have improved. Plus, the diving and sliding to save boundaries is a new addition.

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    Interesting. I suppose Pataudi's captaincy also comes into the picture. IIRC under him we achieved our first series win against England at home and our first overseas series win against New Zealand which no Indian team has been able to do since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    Interesting. I suppose Pataudi's captaincy also comes into the picture. IIRC under him we achieved our first series win against England at home and our first overseas series win against New Zealand which no Indian team has been able to do since.
    Pataudi was without doubt the best tactical captain who ever led India. Besides being a terrific tactician and student of the game, he was the first really aggressive captain we had. He did not come to the helm with the idea of not losing as had been the case before then (with the honourable exception of Lala Amarnath) but to try and win with the resources at his disposal.

    The kind of fields Pataudi deployed were instrumental in showing off the great Indian spinners as the potent strike force they became. They almost always started bowling with a ring of fielders around the bat. This wasn't common for India.

    He was very young, just 21, when he became captain and the seniors like Umrigar who gave him unreserved support although he had replaced them for the job, did so because he was clearly a man who had leadership qualities. This has been acknowledged by his seniors in the team although there was a big noise when Pataudi was first named vice captain and then captain.

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    By the way, Bland's exhibition that day gives a lie to the impression that good fielders are something very recent. What has happened, however, is that bad fielders are not tolerated as they were then if they were good in their other speciality so overall standards have improved. Plus, the diving and sliding to save boundaries is a new addition
    No, it's an exception which proves the rule.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    No, it's an exception which proves the rule.
    How many fielders have you seen from the 60's, 70's and 80's ?

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    I just took out the list of those who played tests for Australia in the 60's and 70's. Here is a quick list of the brilliant fielders amongst them.

    1. Greg Chappell
    2. Bob Simpson
    3. Doug Walters
    4. Richie Benaud
    5. Bob Cowler
    6. Norman O'neill
    7. Alan Border
    8. Ian Chappell
    9. Neil Harvey
    10. Paul Sheahan
    11. Alan Davidson
    12. Ashley Mallett

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    Some West Indian fielders of the same period

    1. VivRichards
    2. Gary Sobers
    3. Kallicharan
    4. Rohan Kanhai
    5. Seymore Nurse
    6. Gordon Greenidge
    7. Frank Worrell
    8. Conrad Hunte
    9. Joe Solomon
    10. Clive Lloyd
    11. Lawrence Rowe
    12. Gomes
    13. Collis King
    14. Roy Fredricks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    I just took out the list of those who played tests for Australia in the 60's and 70's. Here is a quick list of the brilliant fielders amongst them.

    1. Greg Chappell
    2. Bob Simpson
    3. Doug Walters
    4. Richie Benaud
    5. Bob Cowler
    6. Norman O'neill
    7. Alan Border
    8. Ian Chappell
    9. Neil Harvey
    10. Paul Sheahan
    11. Alan Davidson
    12. Ashley Mallett

    Ross Edwards was as good an outfielder as anyone during that period, he didn't have the flamboyant style of a Randall or Rhodes in the covers but he was equally effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Ross Edwards was as good an outfielder as anyone during that period, he didn't have the flamboyant style of a Randall or Rhodes in the covers but he was equally effective.
    You are right, just a miss as there could be others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Shoaib Akhtar/Jeff Thompson/Typhoon Tyson as the fastest bowlers of all time.
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    Akhtar did outpace Lee in the 2003 World Cup, when they were both at their fastest speeds, though.
    The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Maurice Tate - in my opinion the least lauded of the truly great bowlers of all time. Should be in every short list of the three greatest medium pacers of all time.
    top three? how would tate fit into the company of hadlee, mcgrath, lohmann, bedser, davidson, botham, kapil etc(i'm sure i have missed some other big names)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    top three? how would tate fit into the company of hadlee, mcgrath, lohmann, bedser, davidson, botham, kapil etc(i'm sure i have missed some other big names)?
    Statham, who should also be on the ' Critically acclaimed ' list

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