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    Fleming is the only one of these batsmen who I would actually want to watch bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debris View Post
    Fleming is the only one of these batsmen who I would actually want to watch bat.
    There have been few more compelling sights in cricket in the last twenty years than Donald firing in to Atherton and Atherton hanging on with grit and determination of rare quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    There have been few more compelling sights in cricket in the last twenty years than Donald firing in to Atherton and Atherton hanging on with grit and determination of rare quality.

    Or his "rabbit caught in headlights" impression when facing McGrath and Warne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debris View Post
    Or his "rabbit caught in headlights" impression when facing McGrath and Warne.


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    I never saw much of Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton, but from what I have read I know they were English stalwarts during the 1990's, but their averages suggest they were reasonably average. I do think they could have scored more runs and boosted their averages up, but it's not really relevant. You have to judge batsman on what they acheived, not what they could have.

    As it is, I'm inclined to go for Atherton, even though I don't rate any of the three too highly.
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    Welcome back Perm, haven't seen ya for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debris View Post
    Or his "rabbit caught in headlights" impression when facing McGrath and Warne.
    So much wrong with that, I don't really know where to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    Was it a bad back? Or mental instability caused by McGrath?
    Bad back, but it only affected him in 6 Tests.

    The latter 4 of those are wrongly used to construct a case for McGrath causing him mental instability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    I never saw much of Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton, but from what I have read I know they were English stalwarts during the 1990's, but their averages suggest they were reasonably average. I do think they could have scored more runs and boosted their averages up
    Hussain could - don't really think Atherton could. In fact Atherton's record would be far better if he'd got a few less runs - by not playing a large number of games (8) which he should not have played. Had he not played 2 Tests in 1989, 2 in Zimbabwe in 1996/97 and 4 in Australia in 1998/99, his record would give a far better impression of his performance.

    Hussain was held back by his fear of failure, meaning he was not particularly good at cashing-in when the going was easy. He did enough between 1996 and 2004 to have a good Test career (and very good excluding calender-year 2000) but even then, had he not had such considerable fear of failure he could have been much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    I never saw much of Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton, but from what I have read I know they were English stalwarts during the 1990's, but their averages suggest they were reasonably average. I do think they could have scored more runs and boosted their averages up, but it's not really relevant. You have to judge batsman on what they acheived, not what they could have.

    As it is, I'm inclined to go for Atherton, even though I don't rate any of the three too highly.
    all three are fairly average players, atherton and hussain showed some grittiness and i would say overachieved, fleming was more naturally talented but did not live up to potential...

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    You reckon Atherton overachieved Anil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Bad back, but it only affected him in 6 Tests.

    The latter 4 of those are wrongly used to construct a case for McGrath causing him mental instability.
    The case is perhaps more reliant on the number of times he knocked him over in tests .
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    That was because McGrath was a superb bowler who could bowl very good deliveries very often (especially on seaming pitches, which he encountered a large number of in 1997 and 2001), not because Atherton was mentally weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Bad back, but it only affected him in 6 Tests.

    The latter 4 of those are wrongly used to construct a case for McGrath causing him mental instability.
    Ah, right. All I saw was a mirage then (althought the mental instability could be a stretch!).
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    I'm interested in the psychology which you've used to concoct the idea that Atherton had mental weakness when facing McGrath here. The only time he ever said he felt "down" before facing him was in his very last innings in Test cricket.

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