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Thread: Chris Cairns vs Andrew Flintoff

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    Chris Cairns vs Andrew Flintoff

    Yep, another vs thread. Who was the greater test cricketer over their respective careers? (Flintoff is a "so far" in career but sadly I don't think he has much time left unless he improves his injury record).
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    Cairns for me, just. And quite possibly due to NZ bias, although I was never a huge fan of him as a bloke.

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    In Test cricket, Cairns fairly comfortably. Both badly disrupted by injury, of course, and both would almost certainly have been so much better but for that. But Cairns the better batsman by quite a bit, and as bowlers Cairns was good for longer than Flintoff has been so far (the vast majority of his career in fact) but Flintoff once he finally got his act fully together was a fair bit better than Cairns had ever been.

    In ODIs I'd probably go Flintoff, but Tests alone, Cairns without much doubt.
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    Cairns 89-04 62 mts 3320 runs 158 HS 33.53 ave 218 wkts 7/27 BB 29.40 ave 13 fifers

    Flintoff 98-07 67 mts 3381 runs167 HS 32.50 ave 197 wkts 5/58 BB 32.02 ave 2 fifers


    Flintoff had the best series of the two, although many would forget Cairns also had a strong series against probably a stronger Aussie side in 2000, although NZ lost.

    Cairns the better overall career for mine


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    In Flintoff's case those overall figures are relatively meaningless, and despite meaning to many times I've never truly examined Cairns', so they might well be too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post

    In ODIs I'd probably go Flintoff, but Tests alone, Cairns without much doubt.
    Agree, but only by a whisker. If you asked me a couple of years ago I would have said Flintoff quite comfortably, but his oneday game has certainly flattened out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    In Flintoff's case those overall figures are relatively meaningless, and despite meaning to many times I've never truly examined Cairns', so they might well be too.
    For this particular comparison they are actually very meaningful. Both have been plagued with injury, both were thrown into test cricket far too early meaning their statistics were decidely average to start with, yet both ultimately fulfilled their potential to some extent to be considered the worlds best allrounders for a time (Cairns in 99-2000, Flintoff in 2005-06).

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    So break them down, and examine how the respective periods compare.

    Don't allow one to distort the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    So break them down, and examine how the respective periods compare.

    Don't allow one to distort the other.
    I'll allow you the honour if you please, wish I had the time at the moment tbh. I will say this though, I will be very suprised if their career stats don't follow very similar patterns.

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    Only too happy - as I say, been meaning to look properly at Cairns' career for yonks.

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    Here is the strangest thing.

    I rate Flintoff as the better bowler
    I rate Flintoff as the better batsman

    Yet Id take Cairns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Here is the strangest thing.

    I rate Flintoff as the better bowler
    I rate Flintoff as the better batsman

    Yet Id take Cairns
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    For this particular comparison they are actually very meaningful. Both have been plagued with injury, both were thrown into test cricket far too early meaning their statistics were decidely average to start with, yet both ultimately fulfilled their potential to some extent to be considered the worlds best allrounders for a time (Cairns in 99-2000, Flintoff in 2005-06).
    Cairns' stats in 1999-2000 are much better than Flintoff's in 2005-2006, especially in batting....I just checked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
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