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    England or Somerset?

    Richard Johnson has been superb to date with bat and ball and certainly deserves consideration for Tests and/or one day cricket.
    However, do you want to see him play for England meaning somerset miss out? Or is playing for Somerset what county fans prefer?
    So do you think he has the quality to make the step up? For the record, I think he deserves his chance if you think about the bowlers in the past you have come and gone - Yorkhire's Ryan Sidebottom, Alan Igglesen for two who personally make me wonder why I was ever bypassed. Johnson has been clsoe before and though it might mean he misses some Somerset games, he ought to get a go if he stays fit this summer.

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    THis topic has actually been discussed in Cricket Chat, and my opinion there has not changed.
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    However, do you want to see him play for England meaning somerset miss out? Or is playing for Somerset what county fans prefer?
    Your a mad and to an extent a very selfish person if you think your county is more important than representing your country IMO

    Playing for your country is basically what everyone of the players around the world want to achieve, not to be good and turn around and say "Oh nope don't fancy playing for England vs Australia, Somerset have a meanless game against Scotland coming up"

    (That wasn't aimed at you John, just in general)
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    Originally posted by marc71178
    THis topic has actually been discussed in Cricket Chat, and my opinion there has not changed.
    Yes, because you've decided that he's not good enough, just because to you he isn't. Every time I've seen Johnson I've been impressed, since he moved to Somerset he really has moved up another level in his performances. Maybe you should look at him before you say he's not good enough, and I mean at him bowling and batting rather than just his stats...
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    I posted that to avoid having to gothrough the whole argument again since we obviously don't agree.

    The one thing I'd like to know is who you'd remove to put him in the team.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    I posted that to avoid having to gothrough the whole argument again since we obviously don't agree.

    The one thing I'd like to know is who you'd remove to put him in the team.
    Based on total ineptness: Harmison

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    Since Harmison's figures in his Tests so far are actually better than the team as a whole in those matches, I find that a little bemusing.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Since Harmison's figures in his Tests so far are actually better than the team as a whole in those matches, I find that a little bemusing.

    Well if a guy looks like he cant bowl for toffee. The chances are he isnt going to succeed at test level..
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    But if those performances impress the Australians, then maybe he can bowl?

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    Colin Stuart impressed the Aussies when WI was in Oz in 2000. They said he was a good prospect.

    This season, he was dropped from the Guyana side during the Carib Cup....due to inconsistency and a general lack of penetration. Just because the Aussies say so doesn't make it true...
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    I think the fact that Harmison also has received an ECB contract suggests that those that matter thought he wasn't as bad as some people make out.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    But if those performances impress the Australians, then maybe he can bowl?
    Why is it that if someone impresses the Aussies they are suddenly a good player? Look at Robert Key, he impressed them but made no major contribution to the fight for the Ashes. He might be a good player but he's not showed that at International Level so far. Anyway these Australians you have been talking to have obviously been attracted by Harmison's pace and ignored his total lack of control, and penetration. As a wise man once said: "It's not how fast you bowl or how you bowl, it's how many wickets you get that matters"
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    Originally posted by marc71178
    I think the fact that Harmison also has received an ECB contract suggests that those that matter thought he wasn't as bad as some people make out.
    Or more probably it's a gamble by the ECB just like picking Vaughan as ODI captain.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Since Harmison's figures in his Tests so far are actually better than the team as a whole in those matches, I find that a little bemusing.
    When the bowlers he has bowled with include an Injured Flintoff, Matthew Hoggard who needs swing-friendly conditions in order to be successful and Richard Dawson who people have finally realised is nowhere near Test standard then suddenly that stat looks much less impressive. Throw in Alex Tudor who has lost it for good measure. Also you haven't said how much better his bowling average is compared to the other bowlers. Come on Marc...

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    Harmison isn't ready for International cricket, much like Tino Best (I use WI examples because I know WI examples) and to a lesser extent Jermaine Lawson. Give him a bit more time. Let him improve his game and then reconsider his selection. I think most people are in agreement on this and others.....are in denial......

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