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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Second paragraph contradicting the first here?
    Sorry, it wasn't supposed to, I'll clear up the English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo View Post
    I think those who are claiming that all teams must start from somewhere and therefore the traditions argument is flawed are mistaken. English football clubs developed in the late 19th century when organised sport took off. They did not have to replace anything and were therefore original.

    Twenty20 franchises won't work in England, because people will only support a team that they have a link to. I wouldn't support any English side but Lancashire (Cheshire, perhaps, in a game between the two).
    Not quite sure who I would support between Cheshire and Lancs tbh. Geographically, I was born in the old Cheshire boundaries so I guess I'd go that way, but something I've always resented is people from Liverpool telling me I live in Cheshire because I have a CH postcode, it's short for Chester FFS. Don't quite know what the relevance is actually, but I see myself as from Merseyside (steds would give me some remark here I am sure).

    That was some ramble, anyway, you have got me thinking JJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    It's possible, I guess, but that brings its own set of problems: the clubs in the lower reaches will aspire to promotion so will be looking to sign the talent that will get them there, meaning (potentially at least) that not all the best players would be in the top division.
    Easy solution.

    Allow 4 overseas in Div 1 and only 2 (or 1) in Div 2.

    Makes Div 1 a very good standard, stops Div 2 teams investing in short term foreign solutions, guarantees places for English cricketers and forces clubs to develop local tatent.

    Everyone is a winner. High standard and good product at the top and a solid English based foundation.
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    Wouldn't soccer sue cricket if they called the Twenty20 francishes EPL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Wouldn't soccer sue cricket if they called the Twenty20 francishes EPL?
    Not at all. The official name for the football league is "Barclays Premier League". No E at all there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Easy solution.

    Allow 4 overseas in Div 1 and only 2 (or 1) in Div 2.

    Makes Div 1 a very good standard, stops Div 2 teams investing in short term foreign solutions, guarantees places for English cricketers and forces clubs to develop local tatent.

    Everyone is a winner. High standard and good product at the top and a solid English based foundation.
    Would work for overseas players who're actually classed as overseas, but as we've seen the EU employment laws guarantee the same rights to any EU citizen or any national of a country with a trade agreement with the EU. I genuinely think promotion & relegation promotes short-termism in cricket & the experienced pro who doesn't count as overseas in the ultimate quick-fix.

    No, a reduction in numbers would be the way I'd go.
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    The more I think about this, the more I think that it is all about finding the right solution for yourself and needs of your country. India, Sri Lanka and South Africa needed a franchise type system for domestic cricket to take off in any way. Hardly anyone cares about Ranji or PL in India or Sri Lanka.

    If a domestic players goes well there and then the common line, "It is poor standard domestic competition, he just minnow basher comes through." The fact that performances by say Mendis and Agarkar for example in the franchise competition have put them in the selectors minds says something about the need for these competition in those countries.

    Mendis for example was preforming at a similar level and probably better level (stats wise) for his domestic club SL Army. But wasn't even talked about as International bowler until his performances in the provincial (franchise) competition.

    South Africa I'm not 100% sure about the situation there. I think a lot hard to do with some poor players were playing in the major FC competition and the fact the competition was becoming stale, was the main reasons for change. South Africa is also an example of how it probably hasn't been a complete success. But a lot of that has to do with Kolplax.

    With regard to England though. When I first saw this in the media, I personally thought it was just a me too thing. India done well with franchises and a new Twenty20 format, maybe we should cash in as well. But realistical it not going to work in England. As the major problem ATM is probably the lack of chances for young English players. If you cut teams down to six, even just for Twenty20 and allow 4 overseas players. Likely not to include Kolpax and European qualified players. You will just end of with sides with only a couple English players.

    But in saying all that there needs to be change to Twenty20 format. As it is already out dated and if they want to do more then just make up the number in Champions League, then there does need to some changes. A divisional structure, rather then groups and more Twenty20 specialist overseas players is probably a start.

    I also think Australia need to consider allowing overseas players to play in Australian Twenty20 KFC Cup as well. The India sides will wipe the floor with that tournment unless Australia, South Africa and England allow some/more overseas players into their sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    There's really no need to change the number of teams, the best ways to raise standards are other methods. Reducing the number of games primary amongst them. Mergers between First-Class and Minor counties another.
    How could merging minor counties with first-class counties help?
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    Because then all areas of the country are represented, rather than there being "on" and "off" areas.

    "Somerset and Dorset" would be so much better than those from Dorset having to "move" to Somerset to represent their team.
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    "Somerset, Dorset, Devon and Cornwall"?

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    It would indeed probably have to be. Whether Devon and Cornwall combined would make a team the strength of a First-Class county, however, I don't know. They might.

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    Which first-class county would you merge us with in Oxfordshire?

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    Whichever's nearest TBH - I should know, but I don't, and I CBA looking.

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