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    New England Team :)

    Just wondering how the following “ignored”, “too old” or “injury prone” players would go against the current England XI……

    1. Marcus Trescothick - 32
    2. Mark Butcher – 35
    3. Mark Ramprakash - 38
    4. Graeme Hick - 41
    5. Owais Shah - 29
    6. Stuart Law - 39
    7. Andrew Flintoff – 30
    8. Nic Pothas – 34
    9. Robert Croft – 37
    10. Simon Jones - 29
    11. Andrew Caddick - 39

    Did I miss any….only rules are that they are still currently playing county cricket and that they weren’t picked for England during the last 12 months….
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    Trescothick - never thought much of him, far less good than Cook
    Mark Butcher - could easily still be playing Tests with less misfortune
    Ramprakash - ditto
    Hick - amazed he's still playing, and while he's not exactly "as good as ever" he's still pretty decent, but he hasn't done anything of much note bar the odd innings at Test level since 1995
    Shah - very unfortunate not to be in the current Test setup
    Law - an odd case indeed
    Flintoff - hopefully back soon
    Pothas - too old but might go well for a very short time; also might not, as 34 is the sort of age most players start going downhill at
    Croft - never sure what's coming where he's concerned
    Jones - can't imagine he'll ever be much use again
    Caddick - still a better bowler than most of those in the England setup, especially after last season which was his best for a long time. Currently crocked, however, sadly
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    Excellent individual assessment Richard, however the question is how would they go as a team, especially considering the experience they would bring......

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    Well you know me, experience is no use without the skills - and several of those players lacked skills (even if it was mental skill like Ramprakash and later on Hick, or skill to stay fit like Jones).

    So on balance, I reckon the "current" lot (as long as Anderson was discarded) would have the best chance.

    Mind, Shah > Collingwood as a batsman, fairly comfortably. Criminal that Collingwood got in the Test team first, and even more criminal that his good fortune and the odd absurdly flat pitch kept him in there ahead of a vastly superior batsman. Shah has no case for playing ahead of Collingwood, whatsoever, but I honestly can't see how many (not any, but many) people would rate him as a superior batsman.

    BTW, please could you vote on the poll? In my time here I've seen you discuss many historical anomalies, but virtually no "current" Aussie stuff. Making me less than certain about your true tragicness for all Aussie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    BTW, please could you vote on the poll? In my time here I've seen you discuss many historical anomalies, but virtually no "current" Aussie stuff. Making me less than certain about your true tragicness for all Aussie.
    Okay I've voted but it hardly seemed necessary seeing as Aussie is the obvious selection and as such, is miles in front

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    I actually want all the CW Aussie fans to vote TBH, because I foresee a fairly remarkable number of votes for them if if all goes well, hactually.

    And someone might do well to move these two posts to that thread hactually too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic View Post
    Just wondering how the following “ignored”, “too old” or “injury prone” players would go against the current England XI……

    1. Marcus Trescothick - 32
    2. Mark Butcher – 35
    3. Mark Ramprakash - 38
    4. Graeme Hick - 41
    5. Owais Shah - 29
    6. Stuart Law - 39
    7. Andrew Flintoff – 30
    8. Nick Pothas – 34
    9. Robert Croft – 37
    10. Simon Jones - 29
    11. Andrew Caddick - 39

    Did I miss any….only rules are that they are still currently playing county cricket and that they weren’t picked for England during the last 12 months….
    Sorry to nitpick, but Shah played a test match 11 months ago. However, you could pick Rob Key to open and play Butcher at 4, where he's currently batting for Surrey.

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    Bloody ridiculously so... Absurd that a wicketkeeper has opened for the last 3 seasons while pushing an opener down to the number-four position.

    Almost as ridiculous as Scott Newman usurping Ian Ward then Rikki Clarke leaving at the drop of a hat... but I guess that sums-up the domestic game these days. Impatience, impatience, impatience.

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    Can you please field that side against us so we can win? Thanks.
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    Oh yeah... BTW...
    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic View Post
    1. Marcus Trescothick - 32
    2. Mark Butcher – 35
    It'd be
    Butcher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Can you please field that side against us so we can win? Thanks.
    Reckon it could still have some element of chance of beating you, 'fraid.

    Apart from the fact that there's players there who've sworn never to play international cricket again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Reckon it could still have some element of chance of beating you, 'fraid.

    Apart from the fact that there's players there who've sworn never to play international cricket again.
    I'd like to see them field.

    Seriously, I was hoping the selectors would underestimate us like in 1999 and field a team of:

    Cook
    Key
    Strauss
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Bopara
    Mustard
    Broad
    Plunkett
    Mahmood
    Anderson/Panesar

    For developmental purposes. (Resting Vaughan etc to protect from injury)

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    I don't think the selectors underestimated NZ in 1999 (much as some other people did).

    They honestly did believe a 20-year-old Chris Read who had practically nothing to recommend him to the job was the best man for the England wicketkeeper's position.

    And they honestly did believe that the likes of Darren Maddy, Ed Giddins, Ronnie Irani and Graeme Hick (again) were Test-class cricketers.

    And they honestly did think Peter Such should play for England... again.

    And they honestly did think Alan Mullally and Philip Tufnell were better Test bowlers than Dominic Cork and (at times) Dean Headley.

    And they honestly did think Mark Butcher should be persevered with for the most part of the series then dropped only for the last game despite not scoring a half-century in his last 8 innings in Australia.

    At least they couldn't be blamed for the injuries to Tudor, Hussain and Atherton. Or the poor form of Thorpe and Ramprakash.

    They could be blamed for subsequently scapegoating Ramprakash and halting his revival as a Test batsman tho. Still rankles about him being left-out of the SA tour then not returning to bat in the middle-order for another 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    I'd like to see them field.

    Seriously, I was hoping the selectors would underestimate us like in 1999 and field a team of:

    Cook
    Key
    Strauss
    Pietersen
    Bell
    Bopara
    Mustard
    Broad
    Plunkett
    Mahmood
    Anderson/Panesar

    For developmental purposes. (Resting Vaughan etc to protect from injury)
    Probably would still have beaten NZ, itbt.
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    It might be funny if someone - me no less - hadn't said it beforehand. Even inclusive of the PH34R.

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