Imran Khan anyday
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Imran Khan anyday
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All very fine captains, but I would go for Imran Khan:
-For uniting the most fractitious side in cricket
-For completely changing the attitude of Pakistani cricket from the defensive mindset in the 70s to the attacking brand of cricket associated with Pakistan since
-For personally grooming the next generation of superstars (Waqar, Wasim, Mushtaq Ahmed) and showing faith in others when selectors did not (Abdul Qadir, Inzamam)
-For becoming the first captain to push for and instate neutral umpires (and this was in a home series)
-For inspiring his side to match the greatest team of his era, the West Indies, in three consequtive series
-For leading from the front with both bat and ball more than any other cricketer in history (he averaged over 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball as captain)
Last edited by subshakerz; 24-04-2008 at 08:01 AM.
However, it was Alan Border with his intense fighting spirit who raised an Aussie team from the depths of despair (Packer) to the pinnacle of glory with an upset WC victory and subsequent resurgence. MTaylor was handed on a silver platter a very good team combined with the good luck of a general deterioration of top-notch opposition.
- For bringing an end to favouritism/past-performance mindset inherent in team selection. He dropped his cousin and hero Majid, for the sake of the team, clearly signalling a fairness policy of selecting only the best players regardless.
- For superior marketing and media management, part of a captains responsibility.
- For disallowing the pursuit of individual stats over team goals
The Voice of Australian Cricket wrote a book about the best Test captains, he thought Chappelli the best, and from what I have read I think that is still the case, although as others have written it is not easy to rate captains.
Archie MaLaren is a strange one, some think him a shocker others think him the best ever, including Fred Tate
I must say I would have liked to see a few of the best captains results wise on the list
You know it makes sense.
Unquestionably, Australia made more progress under Border than Taylor. But as I've said so many times, results aren't neccessarily the most important means of judging a captain.
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Sean, I am so disappointed in you, I felt sure you were going to put one vote in the column of the man who forms your posting-ID.Archie MaLaren is a strange one, some think him a shocker others think him the best ever, including Fred Tate
Mind, his dissent on the Mold issue has always counted against him for me - other than that, the (compared to you, very little) I've read about him all paints him as the best captain of his time, easily.
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Poll's flawed. Names missing. Don't know how you can leave out Waugh, Richards and Lloyd. I'm sure other names could be in too.
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Because I don't think any of them were especially good captains, merely leaders of good teams. Richards more so than ever, in fact.
Others might disagree with you and aren't you trying to get the opinions of others? Poll shouldn't be about what you think then.
I started the thread and I posted a poll that I thought would get the most interesting discussion.
I don't think "Stephen Waugh is the greatest captain ever because he led and others followed and Australia won X Tests under him" is remotely interesting, I've heard it 50 times before, and I'll always think it complete nonsense.
So I posted a poll that I thought would encourage the least amount of that possible.
I'm interested in hearing the opinions of others on those I posted - not Stephen Waugh, or Clive Lloyd.
Who are the "many of the worlds best players" your referring to?
Apart from 2 world beaters in Bond & Cairns (both hampered SO much by injury its not funny) and 2 very good players (but not world beaters in Flemings time) in Vettori and Astle who are the many of the worlds best players your referring to?
Remember he captained for 10 years - The NZ ODI side has only had a better win/loss ratio since around 2004. Before then Fleming captained some incredibly weak sides yet still pulled off many unlikely victories often purely through strategy, field placements, temperament and patience.
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