A further example is that Smith is univerally considered a poor captain yet gets some good results considering the teams are compromised by the quota system. I doubt he ever really gets the team he wants. And SA has never had a quality spinner.
To really test a skipper's worth it would be interesting to put Punter in charge of the kiwis and Fleming in charge of the Aussies. BTW I also feel that Fleming never as the leader of the team made the tough runs when it really counted.