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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    That West Indies attack in 1974 was thoroughly mediocre though.
    It most certainly wasn't. Keith Boyce and Bernard Julien were both more-than-respectable Test-match seam-bowlers, Garfield Sobers wasn't any massive crack at that stage of his career but was never a pushover, and Lance Gibbs, having had a few fallow years, was at that time enjoying a mini Indian summer to his career that saw him take 74 wickets at 27.54 in 18 Tests. Included in this was 7-113 in the previous Test at the ground that series.

    Only Inshan Ali was a genuinely poor Test bowler, and as alluded to the surface offered him plenty (despite both Pocock and, more surprisingly, Underwood struggling) so even he'd have been no tea-party to tackle.

    Boycott's game there was a quite brilliant one, and very conceivably his finest hour.
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    Julien and Boyce both averaged more than 30 with less than 3 wickets per test. That isn't good enough for most decent test sides particularly Julien who averaged around 2 wickets per test. This was a very weak attack albeit in difficult conditions.

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    Yet again that's an easy mistake to make looking purely at an overall career average. Boyce, a very late starter (was 27 by the time he made his debut), did poorly in his first full series against Australia in 1973 and poorly again in his other encounter with them in 1975/76 (as well as a mediocre tour of the subcontinent in between). However, against England in 1973 and 1974 he was consistently good. Julien meanwhile started well and faded, in his first 12 Tests taking 32 at 27.93 and in his second 12 just 18 at 54.11.

    Both would have played considerably more Tests had modern game-per-year ratios been present, and would hence likely have had careers of more obvious note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    I would say the attack was very weak (worse than mediocre really). Really an ageing Gibbs and 3 other bowlers who would struggle to be picked for any decent test side for their bowling. Fair enough that conditions seem to have been quite difficult but still I would hesitate to class the two innings as among the great ones given the quality of the attack.
    This thread isn't about "great innings" it's about underrated innings that don't often get a mention. These were two match winning innings in difficult circumstances that have been forgotten over the years (and indeed at the time) because of Tony Greig's bowling.


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    http://ind.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/
    1973-74/ENG_IN_WI/ENG_IN_WI_JAN-APR1974_AVS.html

    Here are the averages for the series. Julien had a pretty decent series compared to the rest of his career but on the flip side Gibbs had a pretty poor one averaging 37. None of the bowlers could take more than 4 wickets per test in the series. So overall it does remain a pretty weak attack whether you look at the career figures or the series ones.

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    LT,
    Fair enough that this thread is about underrated innings rather than great ones per se but there must be dozens of hundreds scored against top notch attacks in difficult situtations over the decades that are forgotten today and which probably deserve more attention than Boycott's efforts in this particular test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    LT,
    Fair enough that this thread is about underrated innings rather than great ones per se but there must be dozens of hundreds scored against top notch attacks in difficult situtations over the decades that are forgotten today and which probably deserve more attention than Boycott's efforts in this particular test.

    I mentioned this match and these innings, if there are dozens of others more worthy then you mention those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    http://ind.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/
    1973-74/ENG_IN_WI/ENG_IN_WI_JAN-APR1974_AVS.html

    Here are the averages for the series. Julien had a pretty decent series compared to the rest of his career but on the flip side Gibbs had a pretty poor one averaging 37. None of the bowlers could take more than 4 wickets per test in the series. So overall it does remain a pretty weak attack whether you look at the career figures or the series ones.
    It is not just the series records - it is the records of players around about the time in question. And I've already shown why I consider that to be a pretty reasonable attack. Not a phenomenal one - not a patch, in fact, on the attack West Indies would procure in 3 years', never mind 6 years', time. But a pretty reasonable one that scoring (in essence) twin centuries against was no mean feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    These two deserve a mention:

    Hayden scores 119 in a test match where Pakistan are bowled out for -60 each innings and no one else surpasses 44 runs. Hayden scored more runs in one inning himself than the whole Pakistan side in two innings. And in that heat...amazing.

    http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/64002.html
    Uh sorry, you can't post that innings here. At CW we like to conveniently ignore the times Hayden has scored runs in tremendously difficult conditions.

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    Langer's 50 odd on debut against a WI attack including Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop in Adelaide was an incredibly gutsy innings. IIRC he was hit in the head by Bishop, looked up and saw three of him running in. He pulled away and had the (at that time) self-absorbed and idiotic Lara yell out "He's scared Bish, he's scared". Boony wanted him to retire hurt, but he refused.
    Alas, his innings came to nought - WI won the test by one run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Langer's 50 odd on debut against a WI attack including Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop in Adelaide was an incredibly gutsy innings. IIRC he was hit in the head by Bishop, looked up and saw three of him running in. He pulled away and had the (at that time) self-absorbed and idiotic Lara yell out "He's scared Bish, he's scared". Boony wanted him to retire hurt, but he refused.
    Alas, his innings came to nought - WI won the test by one run.

    http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...26JAN1993.html
    Dammit, was going to mention to mention that one! I watched every ball of that last day. That whole Test is still the most tense one I've ever seen but that last day was something else. The last-wicket partnership between May and McDermott was craziness. I still have the Inside Edge magazaine where, on a photo of him, they plotted how many times and where he'd been hit. There were so many spots on the photo, you could barely see him. haha

    Actually speaking of under-rated knocks, Tim May's 42* in that match on his 31st birthday must surely be right up there. Just for the sheer improbability of it.

    Another one which rarely gets any press is Mohammed Azharuddin's 102 in Adelaide of the 1991/92 series. He had bugger-all runs coming into that match and just went for his shots. 11 4's in his 50 and shots all-round the wicket. India were trying to save the match but he scored so quickly, they were a chance of winning it.

    Speaking of under-rated knocks in dire circumstances, I'm led to believe Nathan Astle's 200 against England was a decent knock yet you barely hear about it any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Excellent performances, but maybe if those games deserved Test status we could consider them a little more seriously.
    Speak for yourself please.

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    glenn mcgraths 61 in brisbane. i loved that innings =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Uh sorry, you can't post that innings here. At CW we like to conveniently ignore the times Hayden has scored runs in tremendously difficult conditions.
    So we shall.

    Alrightly, time to be biased....

    Nathan Astle 222
    Martin Crowe 299
    Stephen Fleming 274*
    Time Southee 79 or whatever it was batting with Chris Martin
    Mathew Sinclair 200 odd on debut
    Jamie How 139 at quicker than a run a ball in an ODI
    Chris Martin 12*

    Should I go on?

    Oh and Strauss's recent ton vs us to save his career was pretty good. At Napier but he had to get that ton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    Speak for yourself please.
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