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    The Number 3 batsman

    Should the Number 3 batsman be a grafter (Barrington, Dravid, Kallis type) or an attacker (Kanhai, Gower, Richards type) ?

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    Seems like it should depend to some extent on the 1,2.

    If they are a steady pair (Greenidge-Haynes) then it sets up a nice canvas for Richards to paint a masterpiece on.
    If they are prone to getting out quickly (Sehwag-Jaffer), rather have Dravid or a Kallis who can construct big edifices on sand more often than the Richards-types.

    (A consistent Richards type is to die for, only 1 so far in Bradman).

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    Best batsman should play at 3 IMO

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    The best batsman should play in a position where he will get the most beneficial conditions to bat for the longest period of time. That doesn't necessarily mean #3. If your batsmen is the best in the world against spin, and only 'pretty good' against pace, then he should play at #5. If its the other way around, then he should open or come in at #3.

    It's about putting your best players in the best possible position to succeed. And the team will succeed if/when that player can score the most runs for you.

    As for the original question, it depends on the team. If you have a settled opening combination, than a guy like Ponting is perfect because the opening partnership usually builds a start, and he takes it to the next step. He can play the anchor role, but he generally doesn't need to. Dravid is perfect for India because our opening is frequently unreliable, and we need a rock for people to bat around.

    If Ponting were in India, I'd want him to either open, or bat down at #4-#5 - he wouldn't be the ideal #3 for us. And I'm sure Dravid wouldn't be the ideal #3 for Australia.
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    I was expecting that reply. If you're the best batsman in a Test side then you should be awesome against pace and spin IMO

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    at #3, you not only play the quicks well but also set the tempo for the game which is important .... of the current players, Ponting is the best pick for a #3 .... Lara would have been perfect too, if he were playing

    As for the Q, if I had to chose b/w an attacker and a grafter and considering that the players are for the same quality then I would go for the attacker
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    I was expecting that reply. If you're the best batsman in a Test side then you should be awesome against pace and spin IMO
    Maybe, but it doesn't mean you're the best against pace in your side and the best against spin in your side. Ponting is clearly the best batsman in Australia, but I would say Clarke might be better vs. spin.

    And being the best in your team doesn't really mean you're all that good in the grand scheme of things - it means you're better than the rest of the lineup (e.g, Bangladesh), so you could certainly be the best in your side and be average vs. spin, or pace.

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    You are right, I do reckon that the best batsmen tend to end up at 3 though. But obviously, batsmen are best batting where they are best suited, I concur.

    Ideally though, I would hope my best batsman would be great at 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    You are right, I do reckon that the best batsmen tend to end up at 3 though. But obviously, batsmen are best batting where they are best suited, I concur.

    Ideally though, I would hope my best batsman would be great at 3
    I'd have to disagree. Like I said, if Ponting were in the Indian team, he'd be the best batsman right now, and I wouldn't want him at #3. When Gavaskar was batting, he was the best batsman, and he opened and I don't think I would have wanted him at #3. Same with Boycott in England.

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    Fair enough with Gavaskar and Boycott who are obviously going to open. But where would you bat Ponting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Fair enough with Gavaskar and Boycott who are obviously going to open. But where would you bat Ponting?
    Either have him open, or have him go at #4. In India, I think we need a rock type player whose job is to stick around and build partnerships more than anything, at #3. We don't usually get the starts Australia do. Unless he feels the most comfortable at #3, then you'd find a place for him there, because your best player does need to feel comfortable. But assuming he didn't have a big preference of his own, I'd make him open or go a little lower down.

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    Never mind one of the greatest #3s of this era, Ponting is one of the greatest #3s the game has ever seen. He averages a phemomenal 66.10 from the spot. Why would you want anyone else coming in first drop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Never mind one of the greatest #3s of this era, Ponting is one of the greatest #3s the game has ever seen. He averages a phemomenal 66.10 from the spot.
    I don't ever remember saying he isn't a fantastic #3 for Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Why would you want anyone else coming in first drop?
    Because he would better serve a different team from a different position, assuming of course, that he did not have a strong preference for #3.

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