View Poll Results: Who was the better Test Batsman?

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  • Graeme Hick

    24 58.54%
  • Mark Ramprakash

    8 19.51%
  • Geraint Vincent

    9 21.95%
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Thread: Graeme Hick V Mark Ramprakash

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    Graeme Hick V Mark Ramprakash

    So, being a sheep and following recent trends, this one is perhaps a little different.

    Who was the better Test batsman out of two of English Cricket's biggest disappointments?

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    Maybe we should argue who was the better domestic batsman? That could be more interesting...
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    You're probably right. In all reality, maybe I should have put first-class, I think Hick would win a one-day poll quite resoundingly.

    Would edit my post but can't edit the poll.

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    neither was world class in tests, hick was a pretty good one day player for some time...he also used to be the most overrated player ever...


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    Ramps could have been a very good Test player, however Hick could have been a great.

    Obviously it didnt work out for either but Hick still has a better record.

    Hick was a different class to Ramprakash, and Ramps was pretty decent as well.

    I cant see how its possible to make any conclusion that Ramps was better on any level.
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    Both great surnames I might also add.
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    Sorry I didn't realise that this was the best test batsman thread. Neither Hick or Ramprakash did anything in test cricket. Hick was given far to many opportunities to perform; Ramprakash has been a consistently high scorer in domestic cricket but like Hick hasn't transferred it to the test arena and has found the step up to high.

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    Hick....and yes i would say that even if it wasnt true

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    Zola Budd

    Maybe if Hick had the benefit of the Zola Budd treatment, i.e. 30 days to citizenship or whatever it was, he would have been a great Test batsman.

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    It's interesting, actually. Both clearly extremely talented players who debuted in the same test (Ramprakash with somewhat less fanfare) & who never quite made it at the highest level; test averages of (from memory) 31 & 27 don't do justice to either. I voted for Hick, because he did slightly better overall. One can't help but wonder if the diffident Hick would've faired rather better under his fellow Rhodesian Fletcher a few years later than he did during the rather less sympathetic Illingworth regime. Whatever his virtues as a captain & tactician, Raymond had some very odd ideas about cricket at times (inexplicably preferring Joey Benjamin & Martin McCague to Gus Fraser for our 94/5 Ashes squad, for instance) and clearly had little truck with the "arm-round-the-shoulder" school of man-management. One suspects that for a lot of his career Hick felt one innings away from the arse.

    Ramps's failings are, if anything, rather harder to explain. He seems possessed of a self-confidence that Hick lacked and his defensive technique against the very best bowlers was sounder. It's worth noting that he averages 42 against Australia, so he obviously has the requisite class. If I were to venture an opinion, he possibly became too obsessed with survival almost to the exclusion of scoring (his strike rate of 36 is considerably slower than the 48 of Hick) and was unable to cash in against the weaker attacks.
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    Hick came to Australia with a huge reputation, well before he had played tests, to play for Queensland

    Within weeks, word had gone out that he couldnt play pace.

    Sorry, the guy destroyed mediocre bowlers but was below the top level.

    Ramp's problems, on the other hand, seemed all in the mind

    Technically, he had it all but cracked under pressure

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Hick came to Australia with a huge reputation, well before he had played tests, to play for Queensland

    Within weeks, word had gone out that he couldnt play pace.

    Sorry, the guy destroyed mediocre bowlers but was below the top level.

    Ramp's problems, on the other hand, seemed all in the mind

    Technically, he had it all but cracked under pressure
    What's worse though?

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    I think technically Hick didn't have the answers to world class bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    What's worse though?
    Probably a toss up!

    There are times when I've watched Hick and thought that this guy is an absolute destroyer

    On the other hand, it's not all about how you look

    Based on test quality attacks, Ramps was probably the bigger disappointment

    Based on playing me, give me Ramps every time (result would be the same, Hick would simply be more brutal in his 200+++)

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    Perhaps I should have rephrased the question.

    What's more disappointing? Someone like Hick, who on his day could dominate, but clearly wasn't up to it technically when facing the higher class attacks, or someone like Ramprakash, who probably did have the technique and game to be at least a good test batsman, but failed due to what was obviously a mental weakness.

    What would frustrate you more as an English cricket fan?

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