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    All Rounders XI

    Yet another select-a-team thread.

    Pick an all time All rounders Test XI, with the provisio that it must include players from atleast 7 test nations, and no more than 2 from any single nation, including the keeper.

    To be eligible, players must have taken atleast 100 career wickets at less than 35 runs apiece and scored atleast 1000 career runs at more than 30 runs per completed innings. No statistical eligibility criterea for the keeper.

    How would they fare against the present day World Champions?

    My attempt:

    MH Mankad
    TL Goddard
    AW Greig
    JH Kallis
    GS Sobers
    K Sangakkara +
    IT Botham
    KR Miller
    I Khan
    NK Dev
    CL Cairns

    Miller and Imran to open the bowling, follwed by Botham and Kapil. Mankad to provide the spin option, backed up by Sobers.

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    Can't be too many all-rounders who've actually opened in a test match.

    Andrew Hall, Irfan Pathan and Manoj Prabhakar are three that spring to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Can't be too many all-rounders who've actually opened in a test match.

    Andrew Hall, Irfan Pathan and Manoj Prabhakar are three that spring to mind.
    Mankad and Goddard were regular openers for India and South Africa respectively. Mankad even held the partnership record for the first wicket till recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Can't be too many all-rounders who've actually opened in a test match.

    Andrew Hall, Irfan Pathan and Manoj Prabhakar are three that spring to mind.
    Eddie Barlow, Wilf Rhodes and Ravi Shastri are 3 that spring to mind. Hammond did on a rare occasion as did Alec Stewart as a keeper

    EDIT- Just saw the criteria in the opening post. Im guessing a few of these will not make it.

    EDIT 2- Jayasuriya just misses out with the cut off at 100 wkts. Has 98 at under 35 and a batting av of over 40.
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    Id like to find a role for Rhodes, and Flintoff and especially Shaun Pollock. He should get in easily.

    Ive been looking and given the criteria of > 1000 runs @ > 30 AND > 100 wkts @ < 35

    There are only 15 guys that qualify. Not much room to create a discussion when so few are available. Maybe this thread is just to show that Pathan is one of the 15, or am I too suspicious
    Code:
    MA	Noble
    W	Rhodes
    KR	Miller
    MH	Mankad
    GS	Sobers
    TL	Goddard
    Imran	Khan
    AW	Greig
    IT	Botham
    Kapil	Dev
    CL	Cairns
    SM	Pollock
    JH	Kallis
    A	Flintoff
    IK	Pathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Id like to find a role for Rhodes, and Flintoff and especially Shaun Pollock. He should get in easily.

    Ive been looking and given the criteria of > 1000 runs @ > 30 AND > 100 wkts @ < 35

    There are only 15 guys that qualify. Not much room to create a discussion when so few are available. Maybe this thread is just to show that Pathan is one of the 15, or am I too suspicious
    Code:
    MA	Noble
    W	Rhodes
    KR	Miller
    MH	Mankad
    GS	Sobers
    TL	Goddard
    Imran	Khan
    AW	Greig
    IT	Botham
    Kapil	Dev
    CL	Cairns
    SM	Pollock
    JH	Kallis
    A	Flintoff
    IK	Pathan
    Haha, what? Whatever the stats show, I won't rate Pathan as an all-rounder until he scores a hundred in a live and testing match situation anyway, so this thread isn't meant to showcase his prowess as an all-rounder.

    What if we relax the batting critereon to an average of 25+ ? It'd let the likes of Hadlee in, but I don't consider him an all-rounder. Also, I don't think it'd be advisable to relax the bowling average cutoff?

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    Vinoo Mankad
    Tony Greig
    +Andy Flower
    Jaques Kallis
    Keith Miller
    Garry Sobers
    Ian Botham
    *Imran Khan
    Kapil Dev
    Chris Cairns
    Shaun Pollock

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    T.Goddard
    V.Mankad
    J.Kallis
    K.Sangakarra (wk)
    G.Sobers
    Imran Khan (c)
    K.Miller
    I.Botham
    M.Noble
    Kapil Dev
    W.Rhodes

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    Mankad
    Stewart (wk)
    Kallis
    Grieg
    Sobers (c)
    Rice
    Imran
    Miller
    Rhodes
    Hadlee
    Last edited by Shaggy Alfresco; 08-04-2008 at 04:29 PM.

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    All Rounders as opener:

    Andrew Hall 330 runs @ 41.25 (8 innings)
    Vinoo Mankad 1548 runs @ 36.00 (43 innings)
    Trevor Goddard 2460 runs @ 33.24 (74 innings)
    Irfan Pathan 108 runs @ 27.00 (4 innings)
    Manoj Prabhakar 958 runs @ 33.03 (29 innings)


    M R HS AVE W BB AVE
    Prabhakar overall record 39 1600 120 32.65 - 96 6/132 37.30
    Goddard overall record 41 2516 112 34.46 - 123 6/53 26.22
    Mankad overall record 44 2109 231 31.47 - 162 8/52 32.32

    Interesting... I've run out of time to look at Barlow, Greig, Shastri et. al. as its time for work...

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    Eddie Barlow
    Vinoo Mankad
    Jacques Kallis
    Gary Sobers
    Keith Miller
    Tony Greig
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Imran Khan
    Ian Botham
    Richie Benaud
    Richard Hadlee

    honourable mentions to Procter, Rhodes, Rice, Dev, Sangakkara & S Pollock

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    Vinoo Mankad
    Tony Greig
    Jacques Kallis
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Imran Khan*
    Keith Miller
    Ian Botham
    Chris Cairns
    Andrew Flintoff
    Shaun Pollock

    Picked my bowling guns first: Imran, Pollock, Botham, and then tried to stack the batting as much as possible given the criteria. Don't think the batting is all that strong outside of Sobers and Kallis, actually. 6-11 are largely interchangeable depending on who's willing to carry the bowling load on the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    Vinoo Mankad
    Tony Greig
    Jacques Kallis
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Imran Khan
    Keith Miller
    Ian Botham
    Chris Cairns
    Andrew Flintoff
    Shaun Pollock

    Picked my bowling guns first: Imran, Pollock, Botham, and then tried to stack the batting as much as possible given the criteria. Don't think the batting is all that strong outside of Sobers and Kallis, actually.
    The problem with an all rounder XI would be that only 4-6 will ever bowl, so the rest are just wasted spots. But that's not really a point of picking an all rounder XI.
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    Flintoff at 10 and you think your battings bad?

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    Outside of Sobers, Kallis, and Gilchrist at the top, none of them have the class to handle all-time quality bowling attacks, just imo.
    Last edited by shortpitched713; 08-04-2008 at 04:11 PM.

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